thedishking Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Will the new Eisy still depend on Java? Link to comment
Geddy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Yes, for admin console access...just as ISY systems all have. It's been said that UD Mobile will certainly be an option and the goal is to have a Windows and Mac (M1/M2 chip) version (already running on macOS). Admin Console with IoX Finder (as we all know and love) will remain for quite a while. 1 Link to comment
thedishking Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 That has been nothing short of an absolute nightmare to support. I really would have thought that you would have moved to more of a pure web server that could be accessed with any old browser at this point. Link to comment
Geddy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, thedishking said: That has been nothing short of an absolute nightmare to support. Interesting. I haven't had problems supporting it, but I only support for me and my in-laws. It's simple, easy and works. Even able to access it easily from halfway around the world. Seems like your experience has been more challenging. One great thing about the stability of the ISY system has been its reliability. So really haven't had much need to change it over the years. Link to comment
Bumbershoot Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 39 minutes ago, thedishking said: I really would have thought that you would have moved to more of a pure web server that could be accessed with any old browser at this point. Take a look at the thread below. Some of the issues regarding "any old browser" are discussed: Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, thedishking said: That has been nothing short of an absolute nightmare to support. I really would have thought that you would have moved to more of a pure web server that could be accessed with any old browser at this point. Whats the nightmare? Can you expand on this? If you're having that many issues, it would help if you say why its a nightmare so they can be fixed. Ive never had issues with logging into and programming multiple systems with the console. I dont see how hard it is to open it up regardless of whether I use the Java Icon or my firefox icon. its still the same click. Edited December 22, 2022 by lilyoyo1 Link to comment
thedishking Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 1st of all - having to maintain the Java environment. Most people that I know - don't ever need anything else to do where they need to log in to such an environment. I had to help 2 friends last year get Java installed (32 + 64 bit) on their laptops simply to access the admin console of the ISY. Simply directing them to an IP to pull up a site would be much cleaner. I am not questioning any of the previous reliability - but it sounds like some of you are defending the antiquated method of having to still tolerate the Java interface. I thought that with all of this jazz around a new piece of hardware - there would be some things that could finally be improved upon. Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, thedishking said: 1st of all - having to maintain the Java environment. Most people that I know - don't ever need anything else to do where they need to log in to such an environment. Everyone's needs are different. You may not know of anyone but UDI has thousands of customers. Im sure a greater number of them use other java based products than IR. Besides, what are you logging into? I click a java based link (AC)> up pops my polisy and other systems>click my polisy>and login. How is that different than me clicking on firefox>typing in my ip address (lets be real- id have a shortcut)>type in my password? In fact, the java link actually helps out because most of us are managing multiple systems so they all show up in 1 place. 51 minutes ago, thedishking said: I had to help 2 friends last year get Java installed (32 + 64 bit) on their laptops simply to access the admin console of the ISY. Simply directing them to an IP to pull up a site would be much cleaner. Not sure why they had a hard time. My wife's Mom didn't need help when she downloaded java for something. 51 minutes ago, thedishking said: I am not questioning any of the previous reliability - but it sounds like some of you are defending the antiquated method of having to still tolerate the Java interface. We're not defending anything. We just recognize what it is. The little bit of work it requires so infrequently, is minuscule in the grand scheme of things. I cant speak for others but what I care about is whether or not my lights and electronics turn on/off when they're supposed to the language for a programming tool that I only use for specific tasks. 51 minutes ago, thedishking said: I thought that with all of this jazz around a new piece of hardware - there would be some things that could finally be improved upon. I care whether or not the hardware allows me to accomplish my goals which it does....Much better than other systems costing 2x as much (those do not use java) Edited December 22, 2022 by lilyoyo1 Link to comment
mmb Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said: Whats the nightmare? Didn't Michel say they are further developing the UD Mobile app for use in Windows and Mac? Maybe I misunderstood... Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, mmb said: Didn't Michel say they are further developing the UD Mobile app for use in Windows and Mac? Maybe I misunderstood... They did but the AC would still be around Link to comment
Bumbershoot Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I’ll just drop this here: Link to comment
mmb Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, lilyoyo1 said: They did but the AC would still be around I used to deal with Oracle licensing. Personally I don't trust Oracle at all, they're just too money hungry. I'd be working hard to get off the platform... Link to comment
thedishking Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) @lilyoyo1clearly you have a better understanding of Java (as most of us current ISY users do). All I am saying is it would be 10x more convenient for the more basic non - IT professional user to not require Java. Limiting the market to those who tolerate Java. I'll fax you the details later. Take care. Edited December 23, 2022 by thedishking Link to comment
larryllix Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 11 hours ago, thedishking said: @lilyoyo1clearly you have a better understanding of Java (as most of us current ISY users do). All I am saying is it would be 10x more convenient for the more basic non - IT professional user to not require Java. Limiting the market to those who tolerate Java. I'll fax you the details later. Take care. Maybe he prefers kermit to faxes? 1 Link to comment
asbril Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 11 hours ago, thedishking said: Limiting the market to those who tolerate Java Personally I prefer Colombian coffee Link to comment
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