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If you remove all the bulbs. Check to see if you can query the switch if so great. Then your next step is to complete the device restore. It might just be easier to delete and add the device back to save time. Ensure the bulbs are removed during this process. Assuming the hardware can be controlled and seen by the ISY. Your next step is to add one bulb at a time until you see a fault in coms. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Once you complete a hard reset the links are erased. You need to complete a device restore to link back to the controller. If it's easier to remove the red load wire sure but if it's easier to unscrew the bulb even better! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Remove the load from the switch. Does the ISY Series Controller see and control it now correctly after you do a query? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Since you haven't purchased it I would do some in depth research on the device to see if it offers some of the things I mentioned. Quite a few members here and around the world have decided to back this IndiGoGo project: http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/21320-weather-flow-march-beta-trials/

Does this hardware offer a means to connect to the system and retrieve the data via a open API? Whether that be a web scrape, polling, push connection from the hardware itself? [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You can always just try a single device to see. It doesn't work now so you have nothing to lose!

You're getting to the point where the hair on your head is becoming a lot thinner. Hard resetting and starting from scratch is getting closer. ☝️ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Rock On . . . [emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can you perform a device restore and let us know the result? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Silly question is this a 6 button KPL that was converted to a 8 and vice versa? What does the ISY think this device is? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Assuming for a moment there was no need for remote access then leaving the controller on a closed network would remove that threat vector. To be clear with respect to the ALL ON / ALL OFF debacle this only impacts Insteon networks using the ISY Series Controller. There has never been a reported ALL ON / ALL OFF incident using any other home automation controller in the market place. Ever . . .

True . . . But, that doesn't negate the simple fact everyone should follow and implement best security practices. We all know locks are intended to keep honest people out. But, do people really believe leaving their homes unlocked is the best practice? My uncle who owned a farm way back in the day would always leave his keys in the tractor, car, what ever. He would never lock the door to the car / home, ever . . . His mind set was he was so remote that it made no sense and the likely hood of a break in was near nil. For more than 50 years he was right ~ Fast forward his farm land and area was sub divided and brought in who / what? People . . . No sooner did the first crop of homes get occupied what did he find out? His tractor gone and miles down the road due to a few kids wanting a joy ride. A year later he comes back from the store to find his root cellar and barn wide open and canned good and vegetables everywhere. My uncle no longer leaves the keys in the tractor, car, unlocked. He no longer leaves the barn, cellar, or home unlocked. Like my old uncle he too had to adapt and this is what Smartlabs / Insteon must do in 2017. Failure to do so will leave them in exactly the same spot they are in now ~ Alone.

The system will pop up a window showing you the restore process which (IF) its working can take many hours.

Its all relative to the type of noise present and whether its a noise maker vs signal sucker. There are more signal suckers in a normal home then noise makers. This is because almost all consumer products made in good standing must adhere to the maxim RFI, EMI, output as defined by UL, cUL, FCC, etc.

Agreed . . .

Speaking more in a broader sense, failure to adopt and implement some kind of security protocol leaves you in a disadvantage when compared to the other market leaders. Given the endless and rampant online threats on the Internet it simply doesn't bold well from a marketing, adoption, and long term strategy. In 2017 if a product doesn't integrate and use the most basic security features in today's world. You Lose . . .

If the stress vs reward outcome is too high for you which is dictated by the amount of hair on your head. If you don't have a large Insteon network its sometimes easier to start from scratch. By this I mean deleting the hardware from the ISY Series Controller. Followed by hard resetting all of the hardware which is outlined by the full users manual. Then, adding back each of the individual pieces until complete. On the surface this seems like a lot of work (It is) but the time to live is more productive and works.

The controller is trying to communicate with the battery operated device. Since battery operated devices go to sleep to conserve power you need to wake it up like any other battery device by pressing the set button.

Sounds like Fred Flinstone ~ Yaba Daba Doo!!

Its not only signal strength its the improper placement of the internal antenna. If someone grabbed a brain and moved the antenna so its behind the front (plastic) cover plate the signal propagation and distance would increase. Just that simple move costs nothing but a change in the assembly process. Smartlabs has done this to several products already but sadly haven't moved forward on all the rest. As for the use of filters no matter what HA a person uses filters will always be needed in varying degrees. This comes down to what kind of electronics and loads they have in place. I've personally never had to deploy any filter in my home and that isn't because of luck. It came down to taking the time to test, validate, and deploy hardware that didn't suck / emit noise in my home. I can safely state 99% of the population have never taken the time, effort, or expense to do the same. In the ideal world none of this should be required but we don't live in the mythical world of ideal. We live in a world where producing the cheapest product as fast as possible to make X margins. As I have stated many times in this forum and others the average person really doesn't have many options when it comes to HA. Series folks use a hardwired solution that doesn't run on the power lines or use RF. Because of this all of the current iterations of protocols: Insteon, Z-Wave, ZigBee, X-10, WiFi, BLE will forever be hobbled and limited. As noted up above integrating a dual protocol like WiFi AC and (name your flavor) will increase the reliability and flexibility to integrate with X vs Y. Right now manufactures have their head on backwards . . . They believe using cloud hosted services and new *Standards* such as Apple Home Kit, Weave, Thread, name what ever make belief system out there is the magic bullet. It isn't . . . These are all band aids and stop gaps such as IFTTT / Stringify

LOL ~ That's a lot of filters you got there mwester!!! RE: Reliability can be improved upon by increasing signal strength. Nobody in the HA space is coming even close to FCC limit, none. This is why Gen 5 devices are able to offer better performance because they have increased the signal strength so has Insteon. They all still fall short of the limit set by the FCC though . . .

Z-Wave / ZigBee is very much like X-10 . . . One only needs to ask all of the Z-Wave folks who have 9999999999999999 siren / repeaters all over their homes!!!

I'll preface in saying (which most people know who have read my past replies) that Smartlabs needs to do better in almost every possible area: - On board new 3rd party hardware vendors - Support existing 3rd party vendors with clear, concise, and detailed API documentation - Use the highest quality components in all hardware - Actually use the Alpha / Beta program to make the product(s) better and for God's sake reply to freaking questions posed!!! - Return the EDOC's to the public domain as they were in the past - Build upon the strengths of the power line / RF Insteon protocol by increasing the signal output - Engage the general public to obtain critical feedback about the ups and downs of the product(s) - Get rid of the off shore sales and support ~ They truly suck ~ As they hurt sales !! - Continue the development of i3cs and integrate the latest encryption standards - Fully utilize the cloud as its intended and not the [censored]ized version you and the rest of the world use now - Incorporate energy monitoring / energy management into all of the products - Incorporate environmental monitoring while supporting analog sensor arrays Having said all of the above I've come to know first hand you should never count Smartlabs out. Consider this single company has been able to endure the onslaught of Z-Wave, ZigBee, WiFi, BLE, for the last five years. They have consistently released or updated one new Insteon product each year since coming to market. No other home automation player can say the same . . . Bar none Insteon offers the sexiest, modern, and pleasing hardware product in this space. Aeotec is a close second while the rest simply look and feel like X-10 junk from the dollar store. With the advent of Joe Dadda leaving (Thank God) this new VC has the opportunity to push Insteon further into the market place. How?? First, by releasing every NA hardware device to EU, Asia, Eastern countries. Its only been five freaking years and the stupid idiots that ran the show failed to tap into the other 5 billion humans chomping at the bit to purchase said hardware!!! After this has been done push forward to redesign the 2413S PLM so its not a 2 year ticking bomb. Better yet how about you (Ya you ~ New Guy) start selling the PLM chip to UDI so they can push sales even further into EU, Asia, Eastern countries by the sales of ISY Series Controllers. Now . . . Some have coined this as the VHS vs Beta wars . . . There is no war ~ That ship has sailed long ago due to the lack of vision, common sense, and greed. The only people who are going to take on *Insteon* are smaller companies who see value in their wares. Larger companies with true vision have already decided to adopt a hybrid environment where supporting a multi protocol only makes sense. I dare say the first company who offers WiFi as the base protocol and includes a combination of Z-Wave / ZigBee will have the best longevity in the HA Space. This assumes their product has the same look and feel of Insteon. Many don't and every quarter there is *Yet Another* Z-Wave startup that has failed and went bankrupt. This is why if there were to be a *Next Generation* protocol Smartlabs should integrate WiFi AC into all next gen hardware. Doing so is so obvious it just makes me cry. A HA network that can support both protocols takes advantage of all the strengths such topology brings. In closing, I still believe Smartlabs / Insteon has a fighting chance to taking market share. But, only if they follow the listed ideas posed above.

LOL [emoji23]

Backwards Compatibility, yes . . . But, older hardware would not have the newer security features. This has been seen in the evolution of the Insteon protocol of i1, i2, i2cs. i3cs has been in the works for ages and there is no view in sight as to when it will be released.