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So does this mean the Roomba does indeed suck, beat, and sweep?

Hello All, With 5.XX fast approaching Beta trials this new year I wanted to get my system ready for the transition. It has been noted many times from long time members and new. That transitioning from 4.XX to 5.XX required many jumping jacks due to a improper password length / password complexity requirement. My ask is what is the minimum password length and complexity in force for 5.XX? Also, please let me know what the maximum password length is along with what special characters are considered forbidden for use. As some computer systems will not allow the following special characters: @$#%^&*':> etc. Thank You!

The link table capacity hasn't changed in over five years so who knows what may come down the pipe in 2017. As an aside I do recall the older 2412S PLM did in fact support more links than the 2413S PLM. The major down side is the 2412S PLM was single band and powered the ISY Series Controller directly.

Really? So *Vacuum* cleaner isn't the correct phrase vs beat and sweep.

All I know is back in the day on 20/20 they had a expose about what could happen to someone who stuck their arm in while the tub was going Mach 2. The story I referenced about the child losing the arm is what I recall . . . One can only imagine seeing a little childs arm dangling from the skin. All I can say is when growing up there wasn't many things my parents or I would do which resulted in a punch in the head. You never crawled under a vehicle on the lifts / jack stands, you never fooled around with the washer / dryer, you never stuck anything in the outlets, and you sure as sh^t didn't ever start a fire burning what ever you thought was cool in the fire place. The only thing I did different with my daughter was to ensure the piston nailers, 22 cal concrete, and chargers were always locked up and fully unloaded and kept separately from one another. I never wanted to come home to find out my daughter shot someone in the head with the concrete hole gun, etc.

Rob, Generally, how long does the little robot operate for doing the first floor? Like an hour, two, three? How long does it take to recharge and then return to complete its task?

I would have no problem checking the safety on a top loading machine. But, can't say I have ever been tempted to try the very same on a front loading washer as water is slushing around the main door. From a purely mechanical stand point a drum which rotates horizontally poses less risk vs one that is vertical in my mind. Then again I find it extremely odd any of these Samsung top loading washers don't have some kind of out of balance detector?!? If they do the manufacture defect must include that sensor because I can't see how so many incidents happen if the sensor was fully operational. Lastly, I would never count on the door ajar / open sensor to protect someone from losing an arm. One only needs to Google how many people literally had their arm ripped off because that specific sensor didn't operate. I don't know how many actual washers have a speed break when the top door is opened - opposed to it just *Trying* to slow down upon detecting a door ajar condition.

I don't know what Samsung intends to do with Alexa but the first idea would be to tell the robot to go clean a specific room, area, zone? Correct me if I am wrong none of these vacuum robots actually know or can be told to just clean one room, correct? I would see value in being able to tell the robot to clean only from this time to this time and for this area only. I don't believe any of these robots can accomplish this goal. Yes / No?

Lest we all forget Marcin is the all time Super Hero in this endeavor!

Agreed, we all use the super spin cycle and by the time the clothes come out there isn't much moisture left. My dryer includes what they call *Sensa Dry* so if it detects what ever magical humidity in the drum it will turn off. It doesn't matter if I select 120 minutes or what ever. If it takes 32 minutes that's all it will stay on and dry the clothes for . . . Using that mode has worked perfectly for clothes but sadly doesn't seem to be very accurate with large blankets / comforters. A extra 30 minute drying cycle is normally used to get the feathers 90% dry with out making the whole thing too staticy.

I stand corrected and mixed up the REST / Web Services as being inbound. See what happens when you make that controller so powerful and seamless! It just works . . . Thank You

You Sir, are my 2017 Super Hero . . .

LOL . . .

Larry asked what happens when you try to control it via the Admin Console. Does the I/O Linc operate then? If you hard reset and restored the device and neither manual vs remote control makes the relay click. Its safe to say its gone bad . . . If after you complete the tests offered by Stu if you feel handy you could take it apart and see if there is anything obviously blown inside. I don't recall if that device has a fuse if so that would be a good start. My next step would be to replace the capacitors and if that didn't work move toward replacing the relay. Given how cheap the capacitors, relays, and other components are it might be worthy of a few hours of work. This assumes you're handy in this area but if not drop a few Benjamins and be done with it! Ha . . .

Technically the network module is 2 way - How much it can do in both directions really depends upon the protocol used and the appliance / service its talking to.

I do have to concede more washers are damaged because of human error. I watched my younger siblings way back in the day cramming in bath towels on one side while the other part of the drum had next to nothing. I always scolded them and told them to even out the load or spread the towels in a circle. It mostly fell on deaf ears because about 35 minutes later I could hear the washer banging away until it got to Mach 2 in the spin cycle where the shear speed and force of the tub compensated for the out of balance load. It was safe to say the washer looked to be tilting at some points and I always closed the laundry room door hoping it would protect the stupid. Oddly, my father didn't spend too much money repairing that washer and to this very day its still up and running which is incredible to say the least. Its got to be 25 years old now along with the dryer which only has one heat setting of super aszz hot! LOL . . .

After reading the link offered by Stu it appears to be on the surface lots of gimmicks with really no value. Considering the article was pretty light on the specifics of what it actually does. For those manufactures lurking in this forum or so happen to stumble upon this forum posts here goes. If you're going to offer a so called *Smart Appliance* how about you offer the most basic elements one would expect first! In no specific order of importance here are what I consider basic to advanced notification and use cases. - Offer two way notification via sms, email, and Alexa of the appliance being turned on, off, and cycle complete. - Notify and remind the user to clean the lint trap / water filter. - Warn the user of any out of band tolerances of the unit *think* exploding Samsung washer! - POST: The system should always perform a diagnostic tests of the major components and report back. - Counters: The system should be able to let you know how many hours, minutes, days, weeks, years, the appliance has been running for since initial turn on. - Energy: The system should be able to tell the person how much water and energy was consumed for any modes selected and what the costs are based on the persons local KWH rate(s). To allow a person to save on energy consumption etc. - Warranty / Service: The system should be able to notify the owner of how many days, weeks, months, years left in the warranty period. To offer to extend said warranty should it be desired and schedule maintenance of said appliance. None of what I have suggested is magic or is hard to do - It only needs someone with vision and the will to offer something truly useful and beneficial to the world as a whole. Some of the elements I already track and know in my own home now so for me there isn't much benefit in any of this but its a nice step if done right. I know how long the washer / dryer has been running for, how many cycles, water and energy consumption, peak current, low, mid, high wattage of any cycle selected. My system informs me via sms, email, and voice announcements of when the appliance is turned on, off, and when the cycle is completed. It monitors out of band energy and temperature levels to let me know if something is amiss. What I don't know is (IF) in a general sense if the appliance is in spec and feeling well - that would be a nice to have.

As noted up above there is a direct competitor to the Roomba which I can't recall what its called. Anyways lots of people have indicated it offers more sucking and beating power than the Roomba. I believe a few people here have tried to integrate it into the ISY too. The only value I see with these gimmick toys is if someone has restricted movement / disabilities. I could see this being a possible solution but it just has to work to start with.

Based on the list this defect only impacts top loading washers . . . All joking aside I hope you never have to experience something like this because its not funny. I can't imagine someone having their jaw broken because a common appliance was designed so poorly that it can in fact cause bodily harm.

Yes, pressing the black set button should make the relay open and close. I audible click should be heard if its operating correctly. Its incredible bad luck two exact same devices just failed though. But then again I just saw five different devices in my home just take a complete dump. None of them are related to Insteon or anything but it does bring to the for front of why having so many electronic *things* is a recipe for disaster / long term costs. I plan on blogging about all the failures I have seen in my other install thread as some of the failures really pissed me off!

Hello Fred, Just a quick over view for you as I don't have a lot of time to reply. - If you own the Network Module you can pretty much do all the same things the portal does. The ISY Portal is intended primarily as a Plug & Play service. The ease of use and ability to integrate with two of the most asked for services / products is why it was created. - The $49.XX two year subscription fee is to offset the on going costs of the cloud hosted service. Which also includes the Network module but I always suggest a person actually purchase and own the add on. - The ISY Portal will over time support more hardware / services that are currently in the works: Honeywell THC, Push Bullet, etc - The Network Module you have is yours to own forever. - The ISY Portal offers remote access, no port forwarding, multi login, multi controller management, etc

If you watch the end of this video its stated that Samsung offers a bracing kit which the consumer can purchase? If that isn't a real WTF I don't know what is. Even better they will offer you a little discount to buy yet another Samsung washer that more than likely has some unknown fault. I have to shake my head in disbelief this company which has seen some of the largest recalls in Electronic history believes a person who bought a defective unit should be on the hook for a new washer? http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/samsung-recalling-almost-2-8m-washers-due-impact-injuries-n677891

LMAO . . .

Hard reset one of the I/O Lincs and complete a restore and report back what happens. The very fact the relay doesn't activate leads to a lock up or bad unit. Hard resetting and software restore is free - just cost some time . . .

LOL . . . Even though this specific area of home maintenance doesn't interest me. I do feel this space is well served with more competition as the current crop of hardware is not only extremely expansive but offers below average *Real World* cleaning. I have a few friends which own various generations of the Roomba and the other direct competitor of it. Which for the life of me can't recall what its called? Anyways, like many of these fad products all of them literally sit idle doing nothing. I would really like to see energy monitoring / energy management become the new *Sexy* in terms of fads though. Given the current pace in this space I am doubtful 2017 will usher in anything more interesting or meaningful to the general public.