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I don't believe the nodeservers support hue motion sensors. Just the lights

I was speaking to someone about their post not about how your system is setup. There are ways around the ISY's perceived shortfalls that could help ease your worries. You could choose to implement what others do or not. It's your choice. At the end of the day, the isy is not currently setup in the way you'd like regardless of reasons. We can all debate about the whys and what ifs but it is what it is and it's not changing anytime soon. If your concern is that great, it may be better to think outside the box to accomplish what you desire using methods others use or take a chance with giving others your credentials. Being closed to any other alternative still doesn't help your position

I agree with all of this. If I cant trust a guest to leave my system alone, they do not need to be in my house at all. Separate user access is not my concern at all due to my previous comment. The fact is, Ive designed my system in a way where an app is not needed while in the house. With keypads on the walls, next to the bedsides as well as voice control, there is no reason for anyway to use an app to turn something on/off

Cutting power to the Xbox at the wrong time could potentially damage the console by corrupting the hard drive. That is one thing to consider. Taking that into consideration, you could use a Harmony hub along with the Harmony nodeserver to turn off the console. Granted, he could remove the pieces that allows that but regardless of how things are done the same would hold true for other options as well. If the time limit doesn't change, there are multiple ways you can program this. Simply let an outlet turn off the Xbox at a set time, or run for a period of time during certain hrs, voice control, or a combination of all. If you already have a zwave network, you could use a plug in module capable of detecting energy use. Then you can say If time is from 5pm to 11pm & Xbox is on, then wait 2 hrs and turn off. Or Plug the Xbox into a Standard outlet and simply let the game turn off at bedtime. If time is 11pm then turn off outlet If you want voice control only You'd still use an outlet (or Harmony) and set up Alexa like you would any other device. You don't necessarily need the then if you don't want to turn it on with Alexa. However if you're turning it off, I'm sure you would want some way to turn it on so that he could use it. This would automatically turn the outlet on at 8 and allow you turn it on via voice for whatever reason. By putting a wait in the or else, when Alexa runs that program, the wait will trigger prior to actually triggering the off. If time is 8am Then: turn on outlet. Or Else: wait 60 minutes and turn Xbox off. If you want to have different time limits, you would need to use variables and add each to Alexa. However, the problem I've found with voice assistants is that too many like sounding things will cause more headaches than what it works. Having 1 or 2 set times would probably work best

What is your use for this? There may be other ways to accomplish what it is you're looking for

As stated, use control. By using status, the sensor must be "on" for in order to trigger the wait. It works at 30 seconds because it's probably within the timeout period before the sensor changes to off

Ask it to do that and see what happens. Depending on your use case, you can program the isy to do that for you

You might want to search other forums to find out about lifespan of other products. There are many people swapping out zwave devices in the same time frame....sometimes less. Ditto for controllers. The grass isn't always greener. But then again, you never know until you try. Some zwave devices have some novel features that insteon doesn't have. However none really work as well as insteon basic/core features which in the end matter most when it comes to lighting. As mentioned earlier. Extra taps are just too much. The most we use is 2 and that generally when a switch serves dual purpose such as my patio kpl. A single tapnsets the patio up for my wife. A dbl tap sets it up for me. I try to program things so that it's intuitive and as close to normal as possible It's not whether your logic is flawed or not. If you want something then that's what matters. I would be honest with yourself and ask if what you gain is worth what you lose. The popcorn effect is a non starter for me. I don't care what features something has. Where you are flawed is running a separate controller for insteon and another for zwave. Unless you join the 2 as 1 network, it will be a subpar system.

It really depends on why you're switching out and what you are looking to get from zwave. No protocol is perfect. I'm with @simplextechin that insteon is better for lighting and zwave for everything else....specifically sensors and locks. IMO, insteon is much easier to setup and definitely more versatile. Zwave can offer more features depending on product but there are still many gotchas with it as you can see such as associations. Getting the most out of either really comes down to the skill and imagination of the programmer.

All those caveats..... Gotta love it

I would never do something like that. Lol. We all know associations is the best feature ever As Simplextech said, probably never. Too many caveats as well as different mechanisms in play with different manufacturers. The main reason I see is you actually have a worse experience from a controller standpoint as it is no longer the controller of those linked devices. This can be impactful Depending on setup, since it won't know the status of devices that are being controlled by association

Does your fan have a remote to it

Not that I'm aware of

Probably not. At least not in the near future. The way Ive set my system up, no interface is needed. What little human intervention that is needed is provided using voice or keypads

It doesn't. It's a work around for something that doesn't exist. Personally, I wouldn't give guests access to any interface regardless of permissions.

You didn't make that clear in your previous post. I don't use interfaces to control my house so I can't speak on that. I know mobilinc pro can be set to where access can be had for specific tasks such as locking others into a favorites screen. Can't speak on if agave has that capability as I've never used it.

It's not possible. The admin console was created to program and configure not for controlling devices

Did you clear java cache after you updated? Factory reset devices? Exclude devices from isy then include them?

You don't extract it. You just download it and the isy will take care of the rest

Manually controlling the outlet is different than the isy controlling it which is why it works. The fast on is built into the insteon structure so that any device can control another device the same way (you can also dim a dimmable device with a relay) While I don't use it for my outlets, (I don't manually turn them on), I have many things that happen off a double tap

Someone else posted the same thing I've before. While I have these outlets, I've never bothered to check to see what happens asa gay on with a relay outlet is no different than a standard on. With the addressed device actually being the top outlet, I can see this being normal behavior

Here's a post with others thoughts on the subject

They'll update but generally once per hour or so. Depending on use, it could already be dark by the time it updates

Also, for the light sensor to work properly for those that do, most need to be hardwired to update accordingly

Not really. It's not as simple as buying 2 things. Since you do not have zwave devices now you would need to build it's network to ensure strong communication. Depending on where your isy is located in relation to the light in question, this could mean a multitude of devices at 40-50 dollars a pop