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Keep in mind, the isy will not be aware of anything you do with the hub. Depending on how you set it up, that can impact your system.

I'm not saying it's outrageous that a company would close off it's system. I'm saying that it's outrageous for the information to be right in front of people and they still believe the opposite of what they see. I'm looking at their history along with what information is presente to us. If one were to go by the fcc database (which is what we're doing here), both a new PLM and Hub are shown. Based on that alone, what they could potentially do is a moot point until they do it.

This is where Im at as well. With the ISY supporting multiple protocols now- why choose 1. You can have the best of both worlds.

I definitely agree with this statement. I think its that way for a lot of people. Nothing in the insteon world compares.

They've released hubs along with PLMs all these years. This isn't something new. They have both a new hub and a new PLM showing in the FCC database. What out there has given any impression that their intentions are to take away the PLM? It's like people jump to the most outrageous of thoughts and run with it. They don't make products for the ISY or any other system. They make them for themselves since their inception. In fact, they were making software before the ISY. Yes the ISY is heads and tails above anything they've ever created but Insteon has still always been a hardware and software company. While many do buy the ISY and other systems to use with their devices, they also sell many of their own hubs on their own. You could probably make a case that most havent heard of the ISY or homeseer until after they've started down the path with the hub and decided they wanted more than it offers.

I doubt it since they have a hub and PLM showing in the database.

Another person recently went through the same thing.

The problem I see with you using zwave is device limit. With the amount of devices you'll need, you will quickly hit the isy node limit due to the extra 50 million nodes created by each zwave device. That will limit your ability to use nodeservers or integrate other stuff such as insteon keypads into your system. As @asbrilhas stated, we have different views on protocols. He prefers the lesser system ?! In all seriousness, you won't go wrong with using either one. Im only comparing insteon and zwave here because Lutron, C4, and above are in a different league. Neither one compares....including price. Newer zwave devices are faster than older....but still not as fast as insteon. At the end of the day, a delay is a delay. Once you've grown accustomed to watching everything work together, it's hard to deal with the popcorn effect. Not only that, lack of flexibility, as well as all the different variations of devices and their parameters that needs to be set.

It's their new hub. They also have a new switch, dial dimmer, Plm, keypad and outlet

That's why I said it's their nature. They've never been one to announce or talk about future plans. Outside of those having personal relationships with employees, we've always found out either through fcc filings or once something has been released

If you want to do it yourself with Lutron, you'll need to take their courses. You'll need the level 2 course due to the amount of devices you'll have and the need for 2 repeaters. While level 1 is free, level 2 is 650 bucks. It'll still be cheaper than paying someone to do it for you however. Getting the devices at a cheaper price is a different story however as most distributers will require you to have a business. There's always ebay though. I don't recommend it but some don't mind

Insteon has always been quiet. For better or worse, that's their nature. If you're worried about your investment like that, I would recommend going with zwave or something else.

There's no double tap features built into GE switches

Nothing. Zwave has a lot of underlying stuff built into that manufacturers of different devices can take advantage of. Most don't but it's still there.

They can be removed. You'll see different nodes pop up from time to time that can be deleted

Submit a ticket so UDI can transfer your modules

Make sure your UI and firmware match

I'm with you on that. If it does let you go past 1024, I'm wondering if that's his issue....I would think it would disable programs vs enabling them though. I've never come close to the limit to find out though. It's probably contributing to the situation regardless

I agree with this statement. I had to back out of 5.3.1 and thinking about going back to 5.0.16. I've messed with my Isy more since this new firmware than I did all year with the other ones combined

Personally, I dont see a need to use variables for something like this either. I've never had an issue with disabled programs becoming enabled or vice versa for any system that i've installed. I've seen programs disappear but not enabling or disabling (outside of those upgrading to 5.0). Is it the same programs? Have you noticed a pattern? Depending on your answers, you may have something inadvertently triggering that to happen.

If you want help from UDI, go through the proper channels for support and submit a ticket. While UDI does chime in from time to time, this is not their preferred method for support related questions (forums are for members who want to help troubleshoot). You could also upgrade your ISY to 5.3 or 5.3.1 to see if that helps since you are on an older firmware

Keep in mind, if the load it's not dimmable, you can potentially have a hazardous situation on your hands

Yes. The 2472 will not work at all without the key

Just in case I'm wrong, you could try removing the device, factory reset the device and then re-adding it. If that doesn't work, then it is using hail. Good luck, welcome to the world of zwave

That particular switch is zwave plus but uses hail (unless leviton released it with updated firmware). I believe UDI pushed an update so the Isy worked with hail but I may be mistaken. If not, you'll have to poll the device to get status via programs. Hopefully they can chime in and let you know. @Michel Kohanim