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Depends on what you mean by default. If you're just asking about it running whatever is in the "or else" then you are correct

Excellent comparison. Though I don't use Mac (wife does), I will say it's better than a PC. I don't like the limitations apple puts on users, which is funny because I feel completely opposite in this situation.

Id love if that worked. The problem is the people who could make that decision wouldn't. While they have a new owner, the daily decision makers are still the same people with the same backwards mentality. They have some great people who want to see insteon expand into the new age. I could see them doing something like this. Unfortunately, until the old guard is replaced, it'll always be limited.

From that standpoint I see your point. Luckily, there are systems that do allow others to join in and work with other stuff to accomplish those goals.

I think it's come far in the last 25 years. Especially the last 10. When I look at what I'm doing now vs the past, there's a huge difference. I remember the days of having 2 8 button keypads in all major rooms and 1 in the others. One kpl would be for the room and the other would be for the status/control of other stuff in other rooms. Then apps came along. Cancel the second kpl. Move past houselinc and on to the isy. With the syncrolinc and global cache, I could now add my audio and video to the system in regards to controlling. Still limited but beyond lights. Today it's a different world. Now, it's a single 6 button kpl (really only need 4) in the rooms and no need for an app. It'll cost you but you can achieve automation on a grander scale that's affordable. With noderservers, you can integrate harmony and sonos with your system. If I'm out on the patio with friends, as it gets late in the evening, the volume will automatically turn down on the system. That way I'm not disturbing neighbors or my wife. If I'm out there in the afternoon, and it starts getting dark, the lights will turn on. If we go inside and forget to turn stuff off, I don't have to worry about stuff being left on. Whether it's the tv, music, lights, or all, they'll turn off on their own or if I hit my goodnight button. Sometimes we'll be outside relaxing with music on in the background. We'll end up turning on the tv at which point the music volume will automatically lower. If we decide to watch a movie, the music will automatically turn off. None of this was possible years ago without multiple steps. It took a lot of time, money, and work but in the end, what's happening now is amazing especially compared to 5 years ago

There's a lot of interest...Just not a lot of desire to invest what it takes to achieve it. Smart products are growing in the homes.....full automation- is a different story

Node limit is a better term than device limit since all devices are not created equally. The 1024 pro max applies to everything whether it's from a nodeserver, insteon or zwave.

The problem with that approach is they still go towards your device limit. Depending on set-up, this can limit what he can do long term

That's zwave for you. I would remove the nodes you don't need before moving to the next device. They'll add up quick if you don't. Once done go back to zwave menu and choose freeze nodes

That's the one I'm talking about

Every environment is different so it's hard to say. I have a portal that I use to add things right next to the ISY before installation. If everything is zwave plus, turn on network wide inclusion in the zwave menu. start your installation with whatever place is closest to the Isy and work your way out

Do a remove/exclude from the system before trying to add. If that doesn't work, it's out of range

I'm not digging that far back. This was months ago when it first appeared in the fcc database. Don't remember exactly when

He did awhile back

I'll share. I'm not that selfish

Sorry, I'm already slated to win that one...maybe after the next

True...at least they make it manageable for the end user..... you'll just be paying full price

You taught me something. I always thought RR2 switches were incompatible with homeworks. Keep in mind, homeworks is dealer only. It would be up to your local installer whether or not they would re-use your older switches. I know many (including myself) do not like going behind existing work to avoid future service calls on devices that you didn't install

To be honest, I think radio ra2 works better than C4 in regards to lighting. I just think their switches are ugly compared to C4 which is why I don't use them. You could do the free course (since you'll probably need just 1 repeater) or even the L2 course for 650 and then combine it with your isy for programming (use simplextech's nodeserver). You wouldn't need to pay anyone to set it up and manage it. While 650 bucks is alot just to be able to program something, it's much less than an installer would charge.

According to speculation, insteon should've shut down since 2014. I guess If you say something long enough, eventually you'll be right! ?

I agree with you in regards to the future which is why I buy what works best for me today and will deal with tomorrow when it comes vs buying for tomorrow. I think insteon and zwave can manage to survive....especially zwave. Regardless of what happens, I don't foresee either truly taking off in a way where they appeal to the masses. It'll be a niche market. Most do not want to invest the time and money to do a whole home properly. Once you start paying someone, the cost goes up exponentially more. Factor in the cost of swapping a few cheap wifi bulbs and an alexa, it's a no brainier for the avg consumer who's simply trying to control their bedroom, living room, and HVAC. Since they probably don't know anyone with a fully automated home (look how many people still require an app on here), they don't know the difference nor what they are missing to want more Personally, whenever we start building our new house, I'm going with C4 over insteon and zwave. I'll still use both for some things however, where it makes sense.

I rarely see zwave anywhere yet I have 25+ devices in my home. Even before insteon tried retail, they weren't seen...yet they sold. I agree with you in that they should do a better job of marketing themselves and it would be great if they were more open about future plans. But that's not them and never has been. At the same time, how many people not interested in automation knows what's out there until they get into it. Most have never heard of crestron, C4, Savant, Homeworks, radio ra2, etc. Even with affordable systems, most don't know who aeotech, fibaro, Homeseer, Dome, etc. None are advertising like that individually to the masses. You may find ge and eaton in lowes/home depot but that's generally a couple of sku's limited to a few devices of each. If anything, the masses know homekit, and whatever wifi devices are cheapest that work with alexa/google...mainly alexa. The last few years has been exceptionally quiet so I get people having questions. My only thing is the outrageous stuff like this Plm talk or products being out of stock (when products are out all over).

I edited to add more. The gist of my statement is just because it's not where you're at Doesnt mean it doesn't exist

I can't find inovelli, Homeseer, dome, fibaro, and Leviton in stores in Charlotte or Southern California....Does that mean they're going out of business

That is pretty much step by step. The wiki gives the full explanation. It's the same for all Isy's https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:Replacing_a_Device