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Insteon has had 2 owners. Joe D and Rob. That's it.

I wear it. I don't have to reveal sources. My stuff just has to be real. Answer this- what have I spoken to you about on here or in private have I been wrong about or given improper information?

I'm not sure if the friction comes from posters not disclosing sources or posters sitting around trying to come up with the most outrageous stuff they can think of. I know for myself, I don't reveal sources because it's told to me in private and I share what I'm given permission to share. I have shared some stuff in private with some members (including yourself). Even with this Nokia stuff, I opened up about things once it hit the FCC (including with you). There are enough people on here I've talked to offline including Michel that can say my stuff is not conjecture or some wild crazy idea. When it is, i normally state so vs trying to come across with it as fact. Can you say that for yourself? In regards to smarthome support, I've seen people with contradicting information from them. A person can believe what they want but which is more likely, a person who's spoken about stuff that has come to fruition or a person 7k miles away in a foreign country with zero ties to the company at all. Let's be real, what's the likelihood of Insteon or any company telling their outsourced support staff anything

And you're missing the point I'm making. To say a fortune 500 company with 100k+ employees is a failure makes no sense. Every successful company is laced with failures. Some survive and some don't. Take Space X for example, they were on the verge of bankruptcy until NASA bailed them out. People were getting on Elon Musk back then about it being a bad decision. Now they're valued at over 35 billion dollars. Or how about Microsoft. Look at how many failures they had over the decades. Whether it was windows phone, Aljoyn, Zune media player, windows mobile, etc. Stock price, profit, market, etc. all play a part in what a company earns. This happens for multiple reasons. Failure to see the market, trying to reinvent the market, being too late, too soon, marketing, govt. regulations, etc. If i opened the first Automation company in California and was the only game in town, my revenues will eventually decline as others do the same. If i start from the bottom and grow, my revenues will increase regardless of how good or bad i am. Long term, my ability to stay in business and compete is what matters. GE may make less than they did 20 years ago but that's for a variety of reasons. They've done alot to stay relevant and expand into other fields. That speaks volumes in itself. The same with Nokia. Regardless of it's smartphone business failing, they've managed to bring themselves back by investing in different ventures such as telecommunications and other stuff. While they may have failed on 1 end, they managed to stay relevant on another. The good thing for them is the retail box doesn't say their name on it so if the device fails they aren't bought down by it. While the app might have their name in it, most of it is back ground stuff. In the end limited exposure should it fail and great publicity should it succeed.

How many Billion dollar corporations have you built up again? You do realize more goes into stock prices than just the price. According to your logic Apple is a major failure as well since their stock price was once over 700.00 a share but now is less than 160.00 a share.

I haven't had my company for 30 years but I'm in the same position as you. I wish I had the mind set of alot of business people who grew their companies into large corporations. But then again, when I look at my lifestyle and work/life balance, I'm happy with the choices I've made over the years. Especially from where i started out from. Alot of people have opinions and pass judgement on decisions of businesses without being in that particular person's shoes. It's easy to stand on the sideline and judge when it's not you (not you personally) having to be held accountable. This is why I don't judge insteon and Joe D. Regardless of what people say, insteon is still around and the man sold his company for millions. How many of us can say that?

You do realize this happens often in the business world. Alot of brands you think you're buying from actually isn't made or owned by the company with the name on it. Take GE lighting. This was sold to savant who now licenses the name from GE. This allows them to sell products to the general public without putting their high end name (and product line) on the line for any real or perceived issues with it.

I agree with everything you say. I try not to criticize other companies for their business decisions (especially those much more successful than mine). While i may not agree with some things they do or don't do, i realize their plan is not my plan. I'm sure if people looked at my business they'd say the same thing about how I run it. But then again, my plan isn't their plan. Where I'm at today isn't where i started and today isn't where i want to be tomorrow. Everything I do is geared towards that. That's how most businesses think. Along their path some of their ideas may not pan out but they regroup and keep moving forward It says something for them to fall and yet they are billion dollar company today.

You hit the nail on the head. Most people do not realize how many failures businesses endure in order to make money. They have their core businesses then they branch out to other things to see if they can grow in those spaces. It doesn't matter if it's Apple, Sony Samsung, LG, Amazon, or anyone else. These are billion dollar companies for a reason.

Insteon has not discontinued the PLM. It will be out of stock for some time due to the global chip shortage but they will start making them again. At this point, I do not have a time frame on when that will happen. They are working on a replacement PLM but that will not be available for quite some time. If i had to hazard a guess I'd say late 2022 to 2023.

Some name is better than No name. While it might not be worth much to you, its worth something to someone and thats what matters. As a matter of fact, for the first time, i've had people ask me if I knew about Nokia's new stuff. Never before have I had that with insteon or smartlabs so it has worked on some level.

I know what smarthome has done in regards to licensing. This isnt my first rodeo with this line.Ive been talking about these devices before they were even announced as Nokia. My comment was geared towards the name itself not about finances. You can call them a failure over phones but that goes to show how limited people are when it comes to stuff. With .7% of the smartphone market, they are still a multi billion dollar corporation. Alas, my post and this post isnt about Nokia and their failures as a phone maker. Its about the name. As I stated in my original post, more people know the Nokia name than they do Insteon, Smartlabs, or anything else they came up with.

They're not available because no one was buying them to warrant making them. For example, the last time they ordered colored filters for the keypads and switches was 3 years prior to discontinuing them. How much business sense does it make to produce a whole new batch for it to sit around for another 3-4 years? Because niche products doesnt sell.An argument can be made if you buy 100 core devices, a person can live with 1 or 2 outside devices. In fact we've already done that with the Isy. How many people were already using network resources to control hue, magic home, Sonos,etc. before nodeservers came out? When you look at most people, they may have 3 or 4 different brands of stuff in their homes being controlled by their voice assistant. It's not just the cost of the device they're taking into account. Its the number of devices they have to purchase in order for the factory to set up to make the device as well as the cost of storing them. Going off your 10-15 dollars to make a device. Lets say they have to make 2000 of them for the factory to produce them at that price. That means they need to spend 30k to carry something that may take a year or so to sell. Now look at storage. Just off the product that sells, lets say they may need 3k sf warehouse. However to hold onto a bunch of non selling items, they need 5k sf. Given they are located in Irvine Ca. they're probably looking at 1.70sf. You're talking about spending an extra 3k a month in order to sell an extra 1k worth of product. Does that make good business sense? Its more than a few thousand in product. Its also thousands in extra space needed to store them. The customer base they are looking for arent going in looking at whole house solutions. They simply want to control a few things. Even if they grow their systems, they are going to add more of the same product. For other stuff, they'll probably go with whats popular with their chosen voice assistant. Whether they sell 100 devices to 1 person or 5 devices to 20 people, they're still making the same amount. If anything, the 20 people can make them more money. 1) they have room to grow and add devices. The person who buys 100 devices doesnt necessarily need more. If half of those 20 people purchase 5 more devices,they've already made more than they wouldve. 2) More recommendations. that 1 person may have 10 people that comes to their house. Maybe 2 will buy something. If those other 20 people also have 2 referrals, thats 40 people buying stuff. What business would ignore that? Niche items drive niche customers. Hobbyists, techies and DIY people. Some integrators who are at that level would be interested in whole home solutions but for the avg person who simply wants to control a light or 2, not so much. They have their own sales data and customer usage at hand to figure out the best path forward for them. Information that no one has on here. The fact that many other companies are coming to the same conclusions with their product lines shows that they're making the right decision despite whats said on here. Few automation companies have gotten into strip lighting for a reason. In insteon's case, the money required to design and build one doesnt make sense when so many pop up on Amazon and ebay at such low prices. Especially with how most people use them. Sure an insteon user may integrate it with their system, but just like Michel says about homekit, would enough people buy it to make it worth their time and money? People here in America may only know Nokia for their phones but they still know Nokia. The name is still much more recognizable than smartlabs or insteon. For all what you think they are, they are still a multi Billion (Billion with a "B") company. Not to shabby for worthless and unknown company id say. Insteon isn't looking at selling to installers. They are looking to sell to the avg. person. Installers who are looking to use insteon are generally low end. The high end and top dollar installers are looking to sell product lines that are truly integrated such as Crestron, Savant, and C4. They dont just want lighting. They want A/V, Cameras, Alarm, HVAC, etc. As great as the ISY is for us (and the integrations polisy brings), there's a big difference between using it and using any of those other systems. Even then, they also have drivers to use other stuff such as 3rd party thermostats, strip lighting, etc. If that was their plan, they wouldnt have taken time and money to invest in the line. Look at x10- zero investment. Just pushing out the same products in the same manner as they did 30 years ago. Still looks the same too. I can see this timeline too. Its the same thing I say about the 994. At some point Polisy will replace it. Yes, having the 994 gives a cheaper option but it makes zero financial sense to have a product thats half the cost of your main product and needing to update separate systems constantly. The same with Insteon. Why hold onto the old when you have a new line that can do the exact same thing. You're just wasting money at that point.

Communication issues with 1 device but not 149 others, I doubt your PLM or access points is the problem. With 150 devices, if the PLM or access points were the issue, you'd have much more problems than you do right now.

I'd contact ge to see what the difference is. With zwave, not all devices can be controllers.

I'm assuming the 3005 is not a zwave plus device. Does it show status immediately when you operate it manually? If it doesn't that may be why it cannot be a controller

Do you have the pro version or regular Isy? How many devices would you guesstimate you have- including keypads

Does the switch appear after you hold the set button in?

That's not step by step for your process. First you hit the start linking button. What's your next step after that? Then after that step what do you do next?

What steps did you take when trying to add? We need your process step by step. The more detail you have the better we can help

What's your UI? What device are you trying to link and steps taken

It wouldn't surprise me to see the original packaging get marked down like that too one day

I was waiting for a certain other person to say that. ?

Exactly. Going out of business because they don't have sales but now liquidating because they do. What next? D$&#d if they do D$&#d if they dont

Here we go again!