Everything posted by Brian H
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cannot downgrade firmware from 5.3.0 back to 5.0.16
Yes since the ZWave Security was added for the 500 series boards and is not for the 300 series ZWave boards. I take it you saw the 300 series 5.0.16C thread where it can be found. https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/27669-5016c-isy994-last-version-to-support-z-wave-300-series/
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Siren Configuration
Little more information. In the Scene I have it set to Siren Trigger Home, Duration 6 seconds, Delay Immediate and Chime Mode.
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Siren Configuration
I am using that module in a scene and you may find three places to set parameters. The listing in the Administrative Console did not set what I wanted. In its listing in the scene list where I added it. It also did not seem to set what I wanted. When I highlighted the scene name it self in the Administrative Console. I was able to get it working the way I wanted it to work. One thing that may not be too well known. That module and the earlier Alert Module where the ones Smartlabs did not provide proper or any data on how it was to be handled. So it was reverse engineered by the folks at UDI and possibly may not function exactly as the manual says it should work.
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Difference between Insteon 2477S and 2477SR ?
Can't say about the 2477S but I know my 2635-222R On/Off Module was a refurbished 2635-222 and had a 30 day DOA exchange warranty from the now gone Smarthome.
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Migrating PLM from 2413S to 2448A7
From what I have seen. In my ISY994i. Restore Modem (PLM) does a software reset command of the attached PLM. Then writes the links into it and changes the old PLM 6 digit ID to the new 6 digit ID in all the modules.
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
The EMI SH21115AS is a 2 pole relay and the EZ SH1115A is a one pole relay. Though both pins for each function are tied together inside the original relay. The rating maybe the same as both. As the pin for each function are tied together on the board. So with the EZ SH21115AS both internal relays contact sets are in parallel.
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
Thank you for the link. I will give it a look.
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
I found some information on the relay you mentioned. It was a Goodsky product and as you mentioned 1/2 the power rating as the EZ. I have not seen a specification sheet on it yet but will keep looking.
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
The relay is a Goodsky EZ-SH-1115A. I have seen a few Ebay listing selling the relay but didn't check the status too closely. Some where used removed and tested. https://www.goodsky.com.tw/en/relays/general-purpose-relay/67-ez-relay
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
Yes that is the 120VAC coil relay used in the V1 2456S3 units. Near the Red output wire on the board. You will see the two open capacitor mounting pads. In Version 1.3 they where removed because they sometimes shorted and kept the load on. I have had a few of the larger 470uF/35V caps fail. In mine it pulsed on and off at about a one second cycle. Replacement fixed the cycling. If it is clicking I would think stillwater's though on a stuck contact maybe what is happening. Here is some information on the module. It is an Icon but the differences are no pass through outlet on the front and a green or amber LED. https://efundies.com/guides/. The what is inside an Icon module pages show the information. The partial schematic of an Icon Module shows the small P160J coupler and how it turns the 120VAC relay on and off. Yes the +5 volt logic voltage is connected directly to the 120VAC Line input. All the voltages are set with electronics referencing to the Neutral.
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
You could also measure the resistance between the narrower input pin and the narrower output jack. When unplugged. It should be a fairly high resistance. I measured around 250,000 Ohms in a version 1 and 330,000 Ohms in a version 4. If it is very low that would also show it has a welded contact.
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ISY994 dying - what steps to take moving to Polisy?
It would be best to reset all the modules. If not it can lead to thing like missing or half links still in the modules.
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Insteon Smarthome appliance module - it clicks but does not turn off
You may want to look at the model and revision number. If it is a 2456S3 or 2856S3 Icon there are two major revisions. The original revision 1 models used a GOODSKY EZ-SH-1115A 120VAC coil relay and was in a white colored case. It did has a set of capacitors across the contacts to protect them but they where cut out at V1.3 on the 2456S3 and V1.4 on the 2856S3 Icon . Since they could short and keep the load on but they would smoke and you would have seen the smoke. The 24VDC coil relay is in the revision 4 models. They also have a snubber network across the relay contacts but I have not seen any reports of them shorting. Removing the 2.7 OHM R2 would disconnect it. Though it would also probably overheat if the capacitors failed. Both revision 1 and 4 have a local control sensing feature. That could be triggered by some inductive loads but if it just recently started that may not be an issue. You would probably hear the relay double click in the case.
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Time zone changed again.
The ISY994i has a large voltage input specification. 5 volts to 30 volts, 2mm barrel + center pin; older manual said minimum 300mA I would just be sure the polarity is correct + to center pin and correct barrel size to fit the jack. My first ones where 5 volts 500mA or 1 Amp. I have had a few over the years go bad. I see the presently sold ones are 12 volts 1 Amp. When mine went bad. The ISY994i was semi stable until I tried a reboot. It would start up and when the LED's started it shut down and started the whole sequence again.
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Is there support for Insteon Thermostat in ISY944i?
As pointed out. The early models with Insteon support. Used a 2441V Insteon adapter into the Venstar T1700,T1800 and T1900 thermostat. http://cache-m2.smarthome.com/manuals/2441V.pdf. The later ones sold by Smarthome had Insteon signaling installed and had a Insteon style part number. 2441T Thermostat, 27232-232 or 2441ZTH External Insteon thermostat. I also have not seen a Wi-Fi modules for that line of modules. There are some for the more modern models available. I did see a Venstar wireless external temperature module available for that line of thermostats.
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Is there support for Insteon Thermostat in ISY944i?
Venstar made an ACC0436 kit to allow folks with a simple two wire heat only setup. To use one of their programmable units that need a constant power feed. It was a 24VAC 200mA wall wart and a 24VAC coiled relay. So the unit could get power and isolate control for the two wire controls.
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moved to polisy, how to delete data on ISY994i
From the wiki. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Resetting_Your_ISY
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PLM possibilities
I looked up a few of the chips in the 2445 V1.0 Many are designed for 3.3 volts so it looks like it is volt logic. Some have a few I/O signals that are 5 volt tolerant.
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Adding an X10 device - do I need an EZX10RF and/or do I need to purchase the A10/X10 Module from UD
It stays with the module and its unique UUID. I have the A10/X10, Networking Modules on my main ISY994i. May spare ISY99i shows none of the extra module added.
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Adding an X10 device - do I need an EZX10RF and/or do I need to purchase the A10/X10 Module from UD
The EZX10RF is built on a 2412 base PLM board with their custom daughter board. It acts like an all address X10 receiver and can map up to 20 X10 address to a Insteon Address Scene I believe. If you have the $9.00 module. It will show up in the Administrative Consoles. Help, About Tab. Should show up as an A10/X10 For INSTEON (21060). You should also see in the Add A New Device Tab. Entrees for an A10/X10 address. A10 was an enhanced protocol built on the X10 signaling.
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PLM possibilities
I have an early revision 1.0 2445 and gave it a look. You are correct it uses 3.3 volt logic. I found the three controller chip programming connectors. All three of them have the +3.3 Volt and ground pads on them. Not the +5 volts and ground I have seen in the PLM. It also has the same switching power supply as the 2413S/U PLM. So I suspect at sometime they will need replacement. I did a test with a serial port board from a 2413S V1.0, installed in a V2.5 Access Point. It did not act like a PLM. It just did the proper functions as an Access Point. It did not even connect with my PLM test programs. I think you are confusing the physical hardware looks with the modules normal functions. As far as I can tell a V2 Access Point hardware has no PLM functions built into it and different firmware than a 2413S PLM.
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PLM possibilities
No a 2414U USB daughter board will not work. The USB interface chip is hard coded the the 2414U speed of 4800 baud rate. The PLM is 19,200 baud rate. I did put a 2414U daughter board in a PLM main unit and had to change my test speed from 19,200 baud to 4800 baud to even access it. The 2414U daughter board does have some link database memory on it but it will be at a incorrect baud rate needed to talk to a ISY controller. You also do not have any Link Data base memory on the main 2413X board. It is on the serial or USB daughter board and required for proper PLM operation. The Administrative Console has a few tests to read and compare the data in that memory and it is used for properly addressing the units being controller. All the signals you should need are on the 8 pin male headed on the lower edge of the 2413X main board. +12 volts unregulated changed to +5 volts on the daughter boards regulator, common for all the signals and voltages, 5 volt level send signal, 5 volt level received data signal, SD for the date used by the on board database memory and SC clock signal for the on board database. The PLM uses 5 volt logic signals. Can't say about the HUB as I have not looked yet. But I expect to see some 5 volt regulator on it. Though some recent electronics have gone to 3.3 volt logic. I do admire your trying to fix this terrible problem. Please keep us informed on anything you find out. I sure wish the member used a HUB and RS232 interface had provided more data on connection points and board used. To see if it had other features besides the basic RS232 to TTL function.
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PLM possibilities
Yes that is true. I am well aware of what it does. I have a box full of unused ones in storage. But any version 2 Access Point is on a 2413 main board and suffers from the same power supply issues as our 2413S. I kind of doubt it uses a PLM signaling protocol between the main control chip and the RF control chip. It uses TTL logic signals (0V and +5V) and has a 5 volt logic power supply not a 3.3 volt one you have found. Though their still be a +5 volt logic supply you have not seen yet. The Link Memory in the PLM is on the serial or USB daughter board. If their is no daughter board their is no Link memory. The HUB should have its link memory on the main board. If the TTL to RS232 board you are using in your link. The part number shows it can use 3.3 Volts as a supply. TTL to me is 0 or +5 Volt signal swing. Got any schematics links you mentioned. It could be clearer to me with that information.
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PLM possibilities
Can't find anything on a 2143. The 2443 is the HUB with Home Kit Enabled features. Smartlabs called it a HUB PRO. I can't say about a HUB since both my 2242-222 older HUB and 2245-222 newer HUB, are sitting unused in a storage box. I have seen a photo of the older HUB where the separate Ethernet board was removed and a serial board connected to the main board. The 2245-222 and probably the 2243-222 newer HUB have everything on one board, My FCC photos show many rows of possible connections in the 2245-222 HUB. You may find more voltage and signals available. Do you have a part number on the converters chip? That would give a clue to what voltage it needed. I did see a note on the Ebay page on a used chip. I will see if I can find more details on that chip and hopefully have better information. Said as low as 3.3 Volts.
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Found Powerlinc USB Model 1132U
Has anyone posted results for the also rare 2413U USB version working?