larryllix Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 ISY drivers for the Insteon Hub may prove beneficial to capture a lot of "tired" Hub owners that want to upgrade to the more powerful environment of the ISY. I was one that purchased one and luckily could return it. It was a mistake for me and would have sat in the junk bin. - This could capture much future business as Hub users want conditional logic. - The PLM or Serial port version may be discontinued - Serial port I/Fs are becoming scarce - The Hub and ISY can be fed off different power sources and located separately. - The price difference (Hub/PLM) is now comparable, depending on combo package bought. - All hardware required (Ethernet) is already installed in the ISY - Hub and ISY would be a cheaper alternative to Hub and HomeSeer/Other plus PC. Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Hi larryllix, We have deliberated about this issue so many times and we always got to the same conclusion: adding the network layer on top of INSTEON simply increases our support and reliability issues especially related to networking, broken sockets, IP changes, UDP missing packets, etc. We have been in contact with SmartHome and I am hoping that they will help us make our own PLM and perhaps one internal to ISY. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
gatchel Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 That would be awesome if UDI could roll it's own PLM replacement. I'd pre-order if it ever happens for sure. Link to comment
Brian H Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 In the early days of the Developers Group information. There was a Insteon IC that was supposed to be sold to those who wanted to do hardware. I believe it also quietly went away. Link to comment
MWareman Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Anyone at Smarthome for us to bug to increase their likelihood of granting your wish? Line me up if you're allowed to do this - I'm sick of replacing PLMs... Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 Hello everyone, Thanks so very much for your support and encouragement. One of our own customers, Vitaliy, did an analysis on the PLM circuit and found the possible causes for some of PLM issues. It would be absolutely fantastic if we could make our own PLM ... the only drawback would be that they are not field upgradeable (we explicitly designed the Z-Wave module that not only the boot loader but also the Z-Wave chip itself is field upgradeable through ISY). This said, having our own PLM will enable us to make it very reliable. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
Steigs Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 That would be awesome if UDI could roll it's own PLM replacement. I'd pre-order if it ever happens for sure. +infinty Link to comment
mdonato Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 any thoughts to funding something like this via Kickstarter? You'd find out right away if the community would support it. Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hi mdonato, Yes but it's kind of against our policy to get paid for something that does not exist yet. In the meantime, there has been a breakthrough with SmartHome and we might actually be able to make our own PLMs. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
MikeD Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 there has been a breakthrough with SmartHome and we might actually be able to make our own PLMs. Wow, this is great news! Can I preorder one? ~Mike Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hi Mike, Thanks so very much for your enthusiasm. Unfortunately not all contracts have been signed so I very much prefer waiting for official agreement before taking any preorders. Thanks again so very much! With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
Xathros Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 This is wonderful news for sure! You can be certain I will order as soon as you are taking orders for them. -Xathros Link to comment
MaddBomber83 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hush it and just take our cash. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Link to comment
arw01 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Michel, my credit card is burning my fingers waiting to order the plm replacement! Wow that might open up UDI devices, with the MS partnership and support into Insteon, you could find yourself in a whole new world of customers with highly reliable devices! Alan Link to comment
Xathros Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Any chance that this might also lead to an Insteon troubleshooting type device or enhanced diagnostics in the ISY for working out troublesome comm issues? -Xathros Link to comment
ISYhbsh01 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Michel, Can my brother in the UK, who would love to get an ISY but couldn't since there is no PLM for Europe, start counting the days to when he will be able to use a european PLM made by you with the ISY? Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk Link to comment
MWareman Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 :Yes: Great news! Sign me up... I'm fed up with replacing my PLM every 25 months it seems.... Link to comment
toflaherty Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I'm still on my first plm but it seems only a matter of time. Very excited to get the udi version as I'm sure it will be not only more reliable but have some other interesting features as well. One idea would be a built in filterlinc... Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk Link to comment
arw01 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I would PAY MORE, if it had some strength of signal indicators on it, like bars to show transmission strengh or even an lcd screen to show received strength from the power line and the RF antenna. How about an external RF antenna, and I know there is some issues with making sure it can NEVER be hot from an internal failure... And when you get your PLM built, next products I would love WIRED motion sensors, or wired motion sensor switches like Leviton has a signal diagnostic device that would show the rf and pl receipts and their relative strength. Be nice if it had a transmit mode so we could watch a level three and count the hops etc on the ISY itself. Dreaming I know.. Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hello everyone, Thanks so very much for the enthusiasm. Yes, it should work in all geographies supported by SmartHome. External antenna will be investigated. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
Teken Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I can't wait! Teken Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hello Teken, Neither can I. Schematics were completed today! Modified a few components which caused the 2 year death limit due to heat ... Quite Exciting!!! With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
Mark H Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 This is great news! My PLM is coming up to a year old, so when (not if) it needs replacing, I know where to look first. Link to comment
pdmjr Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I am kind of guessing that this will not be available for a couple of more months? I just had another plm go out - 4th one - this one only a little over 2 months! Kind of makes you wonder! Also have had a high failure rate on keypads - 4 or five in the last 6 months, all doing the same thing! Thanks Pete Link to comment
Brian H Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Our 2413S PLMs are not the only ones experiencing failures. In the Smartenit Forums. A EZFlora user said their unit was failing. Seems most of their problems are on the base PLM they get from Smartlabs and not their custom Daughter Cards. Link to comment
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