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Is anyone receiving multiple emails about the 20% off sale?!?! Smarthome has sent me four of the exact same emails just today and the last one just arrived? I am hoping this is a subtle hint there aren't a lot of buyers and they will go full on and up the discount to 33% as they did that one year!

Unless the part is known to be iffy this is just another case of a *parts swapper*. I am not sure how some of these people get certified to be a technician but its clear to me there isn't a lot of actual *trouble shooting* and diagnostics. Keep us all in the loop because I am interested in the outcome. Let us know how you get on with that TSTAT swap and (IF) it does anything for you.

Perhaps to ease your mind I would remove the Insteon TSTAT and see if the system comes back up, no? As noted by many others in the past there have been several models of Insteon TSTAT's that which had huge amounts of traffic caused by the older Venstar T1700 - 1900 Insteon Adaptor. The fault wasn't with the Venstar TSTAT it was with the plugin module that allowed Insteon control and interaction. I haven't read too many complaints about large amounts of traffic from the new style units though?

Since the HVAC technician has been out at least twice what has he said that has been done or observed? What is the code for this issue, and has anyone measured if there is sufficient line voltage with respect to ground? Dirty power is always a huge possibility depending upon where you live and the age of the power line. Keeping in mind dirty power from a real world perspective are harmonic frequencies outside of the 60 Hz bandwidth. Keeping in mind most electronics are designed to operate with in a large area of tolerances. Its too bad you don't have any sort of data logger to see if the problem is isolated to time of day, dependent upon other auxiliary devices coming on, or power line issues such as sags, surge, freq drift, etc. In my home I measure and monitor every aspect of my incoming, generated power as seen below. This system has been set up to pick up any variance on the line. This is obviously an extreme case of monitoring but it was done to validate key things for my project(s) and also to determine what level of resolution would be required for the other back up unit. As there are two of these data loggers that track the power. The system detects anything from freq drift, sags, lulls, surges, spikes, phase shift, and how many cycles the incident occurred. As noted none of what you see is out of band but typical of a normal operating system. The system can render if and when a deviation is in the safe range or out of band. Here is a perfect example of a 131 volt surge well with in tolerances. Given how quickly they come and go as they do in any power line. Just more charts to quantify the surges / sags for a *At a glance* view. It goes with out saying you don't need a 15K Fluke data logger like I have on hand to give you information. But, its very helpful to help eliminate one aspect of the problem in the home etc.

I have to assume you didn't read the link that was provided to you?

I wanted to (hopefully) close off this topic as I believe another program in use works to meet the same intended goal. Below are the two programs that will be turn on the fan linc in the bedroom and will continue to operate for an additional 5 minutes after the furnace has turned off. I've tested this program by adjusting the value(s) to detect when the central exhaust is turned on. In each case the ceiling fan came on and continued to run while the central exhaust was operating. Good . . . Next, I turned the central exhaust off and the expectation was to see the ceiling fan continue to operate for another XX minutes to help circulate the warm air in the building. Results, success . . . Here are the two programs which my partner in crime apostolakisl help me create back in the day. MBR Ceiling Fan - Monitor - [iD 00D7][Parent 00D9] If From 7:00:00AM To 8:00:00PM (same day) And Status '01 Main Left / 08 Furnace' > 500 Watts (Current Power) Then Send Notification to 'GMX' content 'GEM - Master Bedroom Fan ' Run Program 'MBR Ceiling Fan - Watch Dog' (Else Path) Else Set Scene 'Master Bedroom Fan Low' Off ============================= ============================= MBR Ceiling Fan - Watch Dog - [iD 00D8][Parent 00D9] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set Scene 'Master Bedroom Fan Low' Off Enable Program 'MBR Ceiling Fan - Monitor' Else Disable Program 'MBR Ceiling Fan - Monitor' Set Scene 'Master Bedroom Fan Low' On Wait 5 minutes Enable Program 'MBR Ceiling Fan - Monitor' Run Program 'MBR Ceiling Fan - Monitor' (If) =============================== =============================== Sometimes I forget the use of IF, THEN, ELSE, programming can become extremely complex and attention to detail is a must when deployed. Once again much thanks to all of you who took the time to chime in and give me a nudge to reevaluate my existing program(s).

Stu, I will modify it to use the central exhaust as it consumes about 4XX watts and report back in a few moments.

Really?!?! I guess in about four hours we are going to find out won't we? I still don't understand how when I ran the (THEN) statement that using the normal scene it would not turn off. Yet selecting the Fast Off command does turn off the fan linc? Something doesn't add up here and there has to be something more than the furnace just reevaluating causing the wait to keep running.

Your going to have to spoon feed me because I fell off and hit my head. So explain to me in plain simple words as I don't understand what is being said?

Hello LeeG, This is something I considered for a brief moment but that is not the case. When the furnace is in full operations it consumes more than > 500 watts. This is why I set that threshold as anything above 500 watts would indicate its operating. With respect to your second line *Of course any change in furnace load above 500 will restart the Wait.* I have never seen that happen before? Are you sure that is the expected behavior?

I have a little bit of a head scratchier on my hands and would appreciate any insight / feedback. To start these are the current parameters I am working with. 994 Series Controller using the latest 4.4.1 Beta build. The Fan Linc shows up as .41 firmware in the ISY Admin Console. My goal was to integrate a new ceiling fan which operates perfectly fine in all aspects. The initial HVAC regulation program I crafted was in pretty simple in all aspects in my mind which is seen below: MBR Ceiling Fan - [iD 02B3][Parent 00D9] If From 7:00:00AM To 8:00:00PM (same day) And Status '01 Main Left / 08 Furnace' >= 500 Watts (Current Power) Then Set Scene 'Master Bedroom Fan Low' On Wait 20 minutes Set Scene 'Master Bedroom Fan Low' Fast Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') As seen above this program is as simple as it gets for a starter program. The fan comes on fine when the system detects the furnace is actually running based on the wattage defined. The problem I saw was the fan never turned off after the time interval was met? Using the KPL in the bedroom turns the fan on-off with out issue. Using the Admin Console to turn the fan on-off again has no issues. Going directly to the Fan Linc node again has no issue in operating the (low) fan speed or via the scene WTF?!?!? So at this point I'm standing there scratching my head thinking is this a noise issue? A link issue? Or a combination of the two? Yet the Fan Linc operates perfectly fine in all other aspects but won't turn off via this program? Out of curiosity I recall someone saying way back in the time machine this was something they saw and the only solution they came up with was using the Fast Off command? So, this begs to ask the question for my own personal edification. What is different in a Fast Off command when compared to a normal off? Is the payload larger, longer, stronger, ?? My initial thoughts prior to stumbling upon this solution was to install a snubber as per others who were seeing strange behavior in other related threads. I may very well purchase a few just for my personal arsenal of filters that may be required in other projects. At the moment the program operates as intended using the Fast Off command. So this is the method I will use moving forward as it doesn't impact other objectives I have lined up later on. Some insight about this odd behavior would be most welcome! NOTE: I would love to include the level 3 logs but my system streams dozens of line of activity due to my energy module being in place.

Larry, LOL . . . As noted earlier I am OK with pricing so long as that translates to new hardware, refinement in existing gear, and inclusion of new services or features not available now. The reality is it takes money to R&D these devices and like others there are lots of intangibles that cost money. There is lots of over head and I don't want anyone to think for a moment that I don't recognize these basic elements. I've been in big business my entire life and I know about profit / loss. In the end for me as a consumer is want, need, and demand for better thought out Insteon offerings. There is always a place to do better or to evolve a product. Sadly, the history of Smartlabs has been either ham strung from doing its best or if we are led to believe. Simply not capable of thinking past today and ignoring tomorrow . . . I yet hold out hope as the listing I posted a few months back indicates movement in the iMeter field. Along with updates to some core products like the I/O Linc etc.

This set up guide was created for a specific piece of hardware I own but the basic principle are the same. Essentially I wanted to high light how to get data in and out of 994 Series Controller and relay the same to a cloud hosted service like SEG. This same method can be modified to go else where or to a local data server. http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/16095-autelis-bridge-pushing-data-to-smart-energy-groups-seg-guide/

Exactly, and my hopes are a little nudge of public shaming will also make someone say we need to revisit the price point on this offering. [emoji5][emoji4][emoji38] Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

Ironically your review was also in the snippet! Ha . . . Paul, I talked to a few people in the customer service and tech line and none of them know why the price(s) have been jacked up like that. The one lady didn't want to say over the phone (being recorded) what her thoughts were. But she did affirm what many of us have posted here today. They saw more steady sales of these plastic chicklets every month than they did in an entire year for any year this product has been made available. One has to ask wouldn't a company want steady sales on something that clearly has a profit margin of excess of 300% mark up?? And that was at the $19.XX price point too! At the $50.XX price point you're just a greedy stupid fool in thinking sales will continue. Added the mark up and profit margin is now 700-800% now! Did you know the a Switch Linc Dimmer sold for $9.99 still makes profit for both the retailer and Smartlabs? Consider what the cost of this switch is? That switch costs about $1.53 to make given the mass production of said product. So normally priced dimmer is $49.99 all day long and when they go on sale for 20-22% off that is still $37-39.XX per module. Keeping in mind the device cost only $1.53 to make! I will never begrudge anyone trying to make a dollar in these hard economic times, ever. But like others have stated above at some point *Profit before people* really needs to be re-accessed. But to be fair (because I just have to) a profitable company is a company that has legs and the ability to endure hard times. The reality is none of us need smart devices in our homes at all. If the world hit another recession the first thing to go are items like theses to the public. We have all lived with out these kinds of toys for eons so its not a stretch that 90% of the populace continue to see no value in changing over. With a strong and profitable company Smartlabs had in my mind lead the charge in releasing at least one new product a year or updated existing ones via hardware changes. This was seen in the most recent Switch Lincs / Dimmers where the inclusion of a dual LED to help determine same phase / opposite phase. These devices also went under a complete over haul in power handling, surge protection, and lower energy consumption. These are things I am willing to pay for at the $49.99 price level even though people could argue this kind of hardware should have been present since launch! I agree but people need to understand its *Profit before people* which is a narrow sighted view. Because as many can attest when the news goes out your product is junk and has no ability to sustain minor surges or blips in power. You guessed it your brand recognition will be hurt and that directly reflects sales and repeat sales. Its obvious the giant ship we call Smarthome / Smartlabs finally woke up and smelled the coffee and grabbed a brain in that area. Because the endless threads of people coming home to see devices blinking, cycling, or just smoked? Was really pathetic to see and read so many times during the course of years . . .

This might come as a shock to many of you but at this very moment I am OK with the general pricing of the Insteon product. As its clear to me Smartlabs has been steady in working toward more integration with new and popular hardware and cloud hosted services. This has been seen with the inclusion of the Harmony remote, Amazon Echo, Apple Home Kit, Apple Watch, etc. I expect to see them adding in more network support for other similar networked products. As posted in the past by me here in these forums the Insteon hardware side is getting another round of upgrades which many of us have been waiting for years for. Off the top of my head the big hitters are the expansion of more base hardware for the EU market. Next, the soon to be released global PLM which in my mind will surely help out UDI in selling more 994 Series Controllers. This infusion of cash for this little company will surely reflect more resources being made available to perhaps hire a short term contractor to work on low / high priorities features etc. Lastly, as indicated the list I found in the Insteon NET site indicates many updates and products soon to be released to the market place such as the dual band I/O Linc, Global PLM, iMeter strip, iMeter Breaker, GE Usnap, etc. OK, enough of the warm and fuzzy which I have written above! Ha . . . Did you guys really think I wasn't going to throw a few jabs at Smartlabs / Smarthome?!?! M-ahahahahahah . . . One of the biggest pain points for me with respect to pricing is the custom KPL keys! I've said this 999999999 times leaving it at the $19.XX price point sold more (steady) sales of this one item in one month then they would have sold in an entire year at the inflated and bloated $49.XX they are trying to rape you for 8 pieces of plastic! The other day I decided to see what the current feed back was for this product and (IF) others shared the same views. Below is just a small snippet of what like minded people had to say. LMAO . . . Price hike is outrageous Review by Brian Rating I bought several of these a few times over the years as my system expanded. They looked great and really finished off the install nicely. The product should get 5 Stars. However, they used to be to be less than $20 and that seemed a little pricey. $50 is just outrageous. How can six or eight buttons be worth as almost as much as the keypad link itself. I cannot believe this item is flying off the shelf anymore. Posted on 5/13/2015 Um what??? Review by Joe Rating These were always $20, now $50???. WTF?!!?! Posted on 4/28/2015 Why $50 Review by Arizona-Automation Rating These used to be so much cheaper, $50 is way to much for this product. The cost increase has deterred me from expanding Keypadlincs to other areas of the house. Posted on 4/27/2015 $50....are you kidding? Review by Pster Rating The price on these custom etched buttons is just over the top. Hard to understand....I've bought them before at less than half this price. Smarthome is just plan greedy. Posted on 4/25/2015 INSTEON 2401C8 Custom-Etched 8-Button Set for KeypadLinc Review by Smokegrub Rating Outrageously expensive. Won't be buying anymore until the price is reduced. Posted on 4/22/2015 Review of 2401C8 Review by POLO Rating Just WAY too expensive for 8 little pieces of plastic. Brought in the past for a much more reasonable $20. Would buy at least 7 more sets if it were not for the outrageous price hike!!!! Posted on 4/18/2015 Um What? Review by Chris Rating $50??? These used to be $20, how can you justify that insane of an increase??? Posted on 4/15/2015 Ripoff pricing Review by Al Rating Way too expensive Posted on 3/8/2015 Nice, but too expensive Review by Paul Rating This is way more than I'd pay for this kind of product no matter how nice it looks. Sorry, Smarthome, you need to reduce the price on this. Posted on 1/23/2015 Look nice but pricey Review by Michael Rating These are a nice product and looks very professional, but they jacked the price up over the years. The 8-button set used to sell for around $17. Now they are the standard $50! They look nice and really finish off an install, but I'm not sure they are worth the cost any more. Keep your eyes open they just ran a sale for a free button set with a purchase, unfortunately I bought mine the day before the sale came out and when I reached out to see if they would extend the sale to me the answer was NO! Posted on 1/23/2015

Latest 4.4.1 Beta firmware allows the user to change the font size in the Admin Console now.

For the benefit of others how far were you from any dual band device? [emoji53] Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

I know it doesn't make sense but some where down the road it appears either the 2413S PLM is over powering the Remote Lincs or there is some kind of odd interaction that does not allow common linking as you noted in the past. Trust me, this has been well documented by dozens of people from all across North America. I would ask you to even go further and see if it allows the linking process to start and complete.

At $6.74 per bulb do you even have to ask? Just buy five cases and run out the door matter of fact buy me some too and toss it over the great wall you guys are building to keep the rift raft out of America! Ha . . .

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At $14.47 per bulb before any tax's that is really a good deal. Why not buy a box and test them out and let us know? It would be great to read a review of how they perform with Insteon and also know how they dim and if they buzz / hum etc.

I would like you to be at least 30-45 feet away from any Insteon device and try again.