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@markv58 Houston we have lift off and the first epic flight of VNS-1 (Virtual Node Server 1) is in the air! ?? Now, show me how to resolve the negative values not showing up? I have to gather because the code doesn't take into account negative values?? ?

Stop agreeing with me it’s my ball and you can’t have it back! [emoji1787][emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That would assume the home had all pre 2013 hardware in place vs a mixture of new vs old. ?

Well, I this takes it out of the possible *All On* realm of possibility. ? As noted by @lilyoyo1 once you delete the hardware and hard reset the device. I would actually go one further step. Do not add it back once its been deleted and hard reset and see if the switch comes back on. It could very well be a bad outlet . . .

@markv58 I am running the same versions as @gviliunas ? All of us Beaver's stick together! ?

@markv58 I've attached the current log since upgrading to 1.0.17 and this has corrected the server from crashing. The only item not resolved is the system refuses to convert the raw to precision value. I've played around with every known option to no avail. ? Some things I have tried in no specific order of relevance or importance: ISY Precision: Changing this from 0 -1 Variable: Selected both Action 2 from State Var vs State Init Stop / Start, Restart. Update Profile, Rebooted both Polisy / ISY Series Controller, etc. I have also just selected Pull and populated those fields to see what would happen - no dice! On a more positive note having the ability to add a 5 second delay is great. I can't say if adding more or less has any impact on the Raw vs Prec but the system didn't crash or fail to populate the new values when they arrived. On a related tangent with respect to the Energy portion of this endeavor. I would strongly encourage you to make this a stand alone Node Server so any changes don't impact what already is a great Virtual Node Server for many. This would allow everyone who wants to focus on one or the other and not have it impact their switch, temperature, generic, causing untold grief and technical support requests. Virtual_2020-7-24_125913.txt

Given how cheap and (more) reliable GFCI outlets are now. I would encourage you to replace that piece of safety device. In my mind the hardware is either doing its job and detecting a real fault and thus protecting human. Or it’s defective from being damaged by past lightning events or simply from bad design. In both cases that device is no longer serving it’s stated mission and goal and that is to protect human. [emoji3525] If the circuit powered a fridge / freezer than the loss would be financial and not health & safety. [emoji3516] I just replaced several outside GFCI’s with the latest Leviton self testing units which are weather rated. Along with a in use cover for more safety and convenience while doing some long term testing. The primary reason for (replacing) the older hardware was due to the self testing hardware to assist me in my monthly / annual safety audits along with consuming less energy. [emoji106] The only negative thing about the newer style is the inclusion of child safety shutters. [emoji1785]

Approximately 30-36? [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just to be clear what is all plugged into this outdoor switch? Can you show us a picture as to how its all plugged into the Insteon outlet. What kind of lights are these that are attached to the switch. On the back of the unit is a hardware production date tell us all of the numbers along with the revision and what firmware the ISY says it has.

This must be a Canadian thing as its apparent @markv58 doesn't know how to deal with the beavers eh . . . ?

So what happens when you complete the two tests outlined above?

Turn the unit off - unplug it - wait five seconds. Does the unit remain in the off state? Turn the unit on - unplug it - wait five seconds. Does the unit come back in the on state? Just for rogue programs in the AC along with the level 3 error logs to see what action was taken during those time frames. Lastly, what is the new load that is attached and what happens when you remove this new load??

@markv58 To be clear when you say a variable doesn't exist what does that mean exactly? As I created state variables which span a range of 1~229. Does the current system need to see an actual numeric value in the controllers state variable table? As only 40 something have real values in place from different hardware appliances. The rest are empty as I haven't enough time to set everything up to send and populate those state variables.

No worries, I got another ball to play with . . . ? ? ?

I believe lots of this comes down to first can someone financially do it. Next, does it make any financial sense if ROI is the main driver. If you live in places where utility rates are more than $0.20 per KWH the large investment starts to make sense. It comes down to priorities too as this isn't something people often consider or think about. More than twenty years ago you would be hard pressed to find more than five people in a neighborhood that had any sort of home run cabling for X & Y. Never mind any kind of Home Automation system in place . . . To put into perspective my home was the first house built in our sub division which was great in so many ways and terrible in others. But, one of the best things of a new development was being able to see all the different building materials, methods, and technology being used / not used. In my area more than 90% of all the homes used plain old tar paper wrap that has been used for decades. ? One would think *Hey this is just a $100K home so what* - No! The starting price at that time for a brand new home was $300K and my area was surrounded by homes breaking $2.8 million yet some of them used plain old tar paper?!? You just got to be out of your freaking mind to have so much money and so little brains. Here's the problem Energy Monitoring / Energy Management has never been sexy! Spending money on the building infrastructure & envelope isn't sexy! People want the marble floors, granite counter, all of the fancy touchy feely stuff. People have a hard time justifying things they can't touch or interact with like Piles, uFer Grounding, Tyvek, Roxul, Delta wrap, etc. For the OP having a blank canvass to incorporate all of the best in class technology and techniques will over the long run pay off in terms of personal comfort, reduced energy costs, and safety & security. Now, selling the wife on that extra $1000 - $12,000K that might be a hard sell until you provide math! ?

@markv58 Inbox is full . .. ? Regardless, here is a snippet of what the Virtual Node Server logs indicate. As of this writing it has stop processing any further inbound data. I spent a few hours last night just restarting the server just to see what the results were. At some point it would just stall and declare the error you see in this image capture. Some other thoughts and insight below: Process Queue: I think one of the problems for me at least in my environment at different times many 1 wire sensors will change state. My suggestion is to incorporate some kind of staged timing where a person can define how fast data is seen, ingested, and processed. I've worked with several companies to incorporate what I could best describe as a staggered offset. Essentially, if say my system has 32 sensors instead of blasting the controller with one giant REST call. The vendor has incorporated a method to send the channels in chunks. ex. 1-6 send, wait X seconds, 7-12 send, wait X seconds, etc until all 32 channels have been sent. I think a more reasonable approach for any vendor is to process based on a state of change. Unfortunately for what ever reason many of these companies don't do this?!? Process Termination: I'm not sure how you're handling the connection to and from the controller. But, is it possible some of this has to be with running out of socket connections? Perhaps worded in another way if there is a *Best Practice* of connecting and gracefully disconnecting is such a method being used now? I know from past experience depending upon how the connection is made whether it be polling, pushing, or subscribing. Each method can have an impact on the controller when the environment is at a large scale like mine. I honestly don't believe many people run out of I/O's or processes for the controller in normal situations. But when you're a power user and have hundreds of programs, network resources, and inbound network traffic via REST. All of this has a negative impact on the controller to be able to complete other system wide tasks. It's been quite the honor to play a small role in the development process so - Thank You!

To be clear you’re saying the GFCI at random points in time is tripping?!? [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The Eaton R-Series smart panels have been in production, sale, and deployed in thousands of large enterprises buildings for more than eight years across North America. As you noted the system has integrated conditional logic very similar to the ISY Series Controller. Energy monitoring and control are also core services which integrate with existing industry standard communications and building management software. The system is very much stand alone and can function to manage any load with conditional logic, scheduling, which plays an important role for ToU, Security, and Energy Management. My plan is to integrate this smart panel with the ISY Series Controller & Insteon to allow a hybrid system. Over time the goal is to see what loads and circuits can move away from Insteon, Z-Wave, ZigBee. I already know the system can automatically turn any breaker on-off. What I need to confirm is if their next generation breaker will allow native dimming or will rely on their super ugly dedicated switches. [emoji1785] Hence the need for a hybrid system until everything is sorted out. For me the HA portion is less critical with respect to lighting vs having complete command & control of every branch circuit in the home. Energy prices will continue to rise and there is only one thing that can help offset that cost which is solar. The most tangible and impactful step with respect to energy a person can do is either limit or go without. None of us have worked so hard to get where we are today to simply go without. But we temper that knowing we can manage our costs given the chance with technology. [emoji4] Those who must endure incredible Time Of Use (ToU) Rates. Know full well the financial impact running something during peak pricing has on the monthly pocket book. [emoji3525] Having a system like this will help in (DR) Demand Response, to help the grid load shed to avoid rolling black outs. Obviously those who must endure ToU rates can also reduce that by turning off high loads within that limited window like AC, HWT, Dryer, etc via Smart Panel. [emoji106] Adoption, only happens when something is easy and integrate well and becomes - cheap! This isn’t cheap but it’s the next big step of getting dead serious vs playing around. For me all of that is great but that isn’t the primary reason I’m Installing one. [emoji52] The main driver is for security & safety. Anyone who has experienced a surge event from a utility pole / lightning strike know the untold damage this can have on a home & family. [emoji3525] Having a system like this in place will allow me to disconnect all loads from the POCO. Once in place this will be the fifth ring of surge protection in my home. All of this will be integrated with the ISY Series Controller using all of the fantastic Node Servers that allow me to track lightning. The system will react in a tiered and staged fashion and disable none critical loads based on the distance of the storm. I already have the same setup in place now on a smaller scale which was the proof of concept for this project. It’s been a really long road! [emoji3516][emoji869] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@markv58 I went for broke and deleted the entire node server from the Polisy. Either there's still garbage left in the Polyglot or there are some bugs in the 1.0.14 release. Let me start by asking some basic questions because it seems every release either removes a requirement or adds something that is unknown. - Precision Value: Do I need to set the ISY to any precision value as all of mine are set to 1. - Left Buttons: In several releases we had to press the left hand button on each selection for the system to save the option. Do I need to press on the left hand side buttons as I see the *System Busy* now as I make a selection. - Maximum Nodes: I asked this question several posts back and never received an answer. Does the virtual node server have a limit on how many nodes can be created? As I have 42 nodes all getting set up now and feel this might be one of the issues here. - Raw / Precision: As of this writing this function doesn't seem to work even when I started off with a single node.

@zparsons This is an example of something similar to what I am speaking about; https://www.leviton.com/en/products/residential/load-centers This is what I plan on migrating to once Project Falcon is under way: https://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/public/@pub/@electrical/documents/content/pa144001en.pdf The biggest difference between the Leviton vs Eaton is the breakers can be operated On - Off. The Leviton smart panel can only turn the breaker off so this negates the whole concept of managed power control. Let me know if you need more insight or feedback as this is something I am truly passionate about. Which is to make Energy Monitoring / Energy Management truly sexy!

@markv58 I don't know boss man no joy joy here . . . ? I've even tried using a program and nothing seems to work as it did in the previous release. Kicking it off via the run THEN does absolutely nothing to make the values display in the AC. Really wish there was a quick way to roll back - Thank God this isn't in production . . .

I've tried both with no positive results . . . The AC seems to populate the raw values (when present) but never converts for some reason. Pressing the Delete Node DB / Reset Statistics doesn't invoke a response from the ISY Series Controller. Normally, I would see the system busy message and the AC zero's out the node in question - nothing happens. For the sake of doing it I restarted the Virtual Node Server, Update Profile, Rebooted the ISY / Polisy, in different orders just to see what would happen - nothing. ? My toy is now broken and must use SPF 9000000000000000 because its 2000000'C. ?

The latest 1.0.14 seems to have introduced some problems. I am seeing where the AC will not allow the drop down items to be selected they simply flip back instantly. The AC has stopped populating the display with any of the options and as listed up above there were some crazy values showing up. Had to pull out my super nuclear SPF 9000000000000000 lotion & shades - Hotter Than Balls ?

Wow - Its hotter than balls out here . . . ?

You won't know until you try to be honest. Keep in mind when ever you're talking about two physical structures insuring proper coupling / bridging of the Insteon signal is paramount. So follow the 4 tap beacon test as outlined in the full users manual to determine success / failure. If you're talking about a Z-Wave enabled controller reaching to another building structure never going to happen. I don't care what anyone has told you or what you may have read but you will never get any Z-Wave system to operate reliably without a whole lot of money, time, and height. I've done three sites with Z-Wave which had several out buildings and at the end of the day two ended up installing another Z-Wave enabled controller. The third site spent several thousands of dollars to erect a few intermediate light poles that housed wired repeaters at regular distances. Having to trench half a mile of wire, install poles, and everything else that comes with it is no small feat or investment in time & finances. Good Luck . . .