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Do you have a link to that article? Secondary controllers are great for large or spread out systems. If you have an avg home with a typical install, 1 centralized controller would be better. To put things into perspective, my old house was 5400 Sq ft and I was able to use a single controller with all of my devices (about 40-50). There is no documentation as each system has their own way of doing things. Some will only be a primary and can't be used as a secondary. Some will not pass on security keys to track secure devices such as locks. Because each has their own stipulations, you'll have to look through each manual of your chosen system and/or talk to them (which they probably won't help with anyway). The why you'd use a secondary controller is simple. If you have a large home with devices on opposite ends, it would be cheaper to have 2 controllers than fill in the gap with unnecessary additional devices just to communicate with each other. Second reason is a large system. Zwave controllers are limited to around 250 devices. Real world is probably half that (depends on device types). In addition, the larger the install, the slower your system will be as well as the likelihood of issues. Secondary controllers allows you to bypass those limitations while having the benefits of integrating everything under 1 controller.

I see things being like they are now with zwave except happening with other devices. Ie: turn switch A on matter hub relays signal to switch B to turn on.

What are you talking about? I said that they stated that they are adding matter to their next hub. Any device that's able to connect to it would be able to work with it. You literally stated that's what they needed in your previous post (in response to my statement) and now you're saying that you don't see how that would work. How would the insteon hub be any different than Polisy or eisy being the gateway?

No different than how polisy connects to HA,habitat, and hue. It's able to do so and pick up those devices without issue. Ditto for Alexa, Google and homekit. All of them do so now in some capacity

Insteon's new CEO has already stated that their next hub will be able to integrate with Matter. No different than UDI making Polisy and eisy compatible with Matter

They already had articles on it that details most stuff so an NDA really doesn't apply at this point. It goes without saying- everything that insteon currently does the Nokia line does as well. There are no changes. The new capabilities include the ability to update the firmware (via the hub), set the low level trim on the dimming function, and use each device as a dimmer or a relay. The main things that attract me to it is the huge step forward in build quality. Not only do they look much better, they also feel better to the touch. They're much quieter in operation and dim LEDs exceptionally well. Not as good as lutron sunnata dimmers but for the price, there's a day and night difference.

Depends on your definition of first. Smart things, insteon hub, revolv, Lowe's iris, homeseer, wemo, hue, nest, and indigo all supported Alexa before UDI. The having to tell (chosen device) was a limitation of early APIs and less a UDI (or any other company) issue. UDI did do a fantastic job of subsequent upgrades to each api version

Matter won't be in the insteon protocol itself but part of the new hub which then talks to the devices. I know they were stocking up on the nokia stuff so they do have a starting point. It's just whether or not they are able to sell them and build upon that. I'd actually be willing to use the Nokia line. They're fantastic. In fact, in my test room, I'm still using them. By renaming them, they could at least have some separation to the original insteon company. Either way, they have a long road ahead. I think new stuff gives them the best chance overall. For clarity- when I say nokia- I'm only saying that to differentiate between the old and new stuff. Not the state of their deal.

I don't think we'll see a unified standard per se from the early generation devices. Over time, things could potentially get better as (if) lessons are learned and applied. Most likely matter will not be able to integrate disparate devices in such a way that they operate in unison. It May be possible with those devices that use thread directly but not when mixed with other technologies such as insteon, zwave, ZigBee, or clear connect. Everyone has invested too much into their chosen ecosystems to simply abandon their technology. Even with the Isy - commands are sent out to the individual protocols one at a time vs simultaneously. It's fast but still distinct separation. @upstatemikeBecause of unnecessary complications with automation, I doubt Matter will accomplish that any more than what's currently possibly with Alexa/google. Automation vs control is part of our world, not necessarily theirs. Having a controller such as Polisy or eisy can deliver the automation that matter probably lacks. Most people think what we do is cool but want simplicity. They feel it's too complex. In a sense, we'd get the best of both worlds since we matter has the control while UDI has the automation. The fact that they don't talk about these types of details leads me to believe that automation and simultaneous communication across platforms will not be present. @Dub aka WHaas Early on, I think older devices will be released. Depending on timeframe for new devices, this could be their doom. If new customers were buying insteon like that, they wouldn't be in this position now. Couple that with all those they've already lost means a smaller customer base to to work with. With their recent history- i just don't see newbies flocking to use their technology.

I don't think anyone is strongly against matter on here to cause a huge debate like some other subjects. Those who speak out against it aren't doing so because they hate it. They do so because of broken promises as well as the unknown. We've all heard the rhetoric from other "standards" and what it will do for automation, only for it to fall significantly short. In the case of matter, there's a lot of fluff but significant details are lacking. Unlike zwave vs insteon debates, matter debates comes down to those claiming it's the best thing since sliced bread( without any substance) and those who are hesitant to get excited due to the lack of details. I fall into the latter category. With the lack of details on how it improves upon what i have, i don't see the point (from an advanced controller standpoint) other than being able to connect to devices that i may or may not be able to connect to already. To me it's like the "Emperor's new clothes story". Sounds wonderful but with zero details, there's nothing to see

Thats what I was saying. No upgrades to the 994. All new features are for polisy and eisy. @Michel Kohanim can correct me if im incorrect but there's a separate (add-on)board for polisy that supports matter as well (in addition to what eisy has)

Michel has been talking about a Matter board for Polisy as well as for eisy. I highly doubt anything will come for the 994 since both of those replace the 994 (nor does 994 integrate with polyglot V3). The new insteon hub would connect to Matter (was the plan for Nokia) and not directly to insteon devices

Different article with the same information

The tabs are glued on as the battery is designed to be none replaceable.

https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/33710-solution-for-dimmable-led-light-strips-with-automations/

I still had the old link saved. Just people with hub issues so far. You're not missing anything

I didn't even know it came back.

Not sure why you feel polisy may not support insteon in a few years when UDI's next gen controller (eisy) supports insteon as well. The work for insteon is already done. They'd need to rework the whole system to remove insteon capability. Maybe somewhere down the line but definitely not in the near future to worry about another Isy. Besides, you'd simply be continuing on with an obsolete device

@Geddy- this is posted in the wrong forum. Since the op is using Polisy with the zooz stick, it could cause confusion with it being posted in the Isy zwave 300/500 series section To the op @Prana electric. Leviton uses hail for status. You'll have to use programs to query it and get status. https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/34097-leviton-zwave-plus-doesnt-report-status/#comment-321618

Not all node servers offers a trial. You could use the PG2 version which is free (though unsupported if you want to temporarily test things before purchase

It would help if you provide us with the devices you're having issues with, your programs, how you set it up, your Isy firmware & UI, etc

Same process as swapping out a PLM. Best practice would be to read the wiki and follow it. Not following would be what not to do. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:File_Menu#Replace_Modem_.28PLM.29 Also, make sure you have a recent backup of your system before doing anything

Contact UDI

I'd give them time. It was left a complete and utter mess. It'll take time to get a complete team hired, structured in such a way that makes sense for what they want to do and get things up and running. UDI's needs (and ours by extension) are going to be last on their to do list. The pre-existing sourcing issues will probably play a part as well as they'll want to make sure they can accumulate enough parts for their devices let alone another company. They arent buffoons. They didn't buy insteon out of the goodness of their heart. They bought it to make money. Whatever their business plan is, it's going to include 3rd party or it's not. No point in name calling like that just because it may or may not be the same as your desires. While the waiting sucks, it's something we'll have to do. With Ken being a long time fan of UDI in addition to still taking their phone calls (vs a flat out no), It does give me hope of a better future. While I'm done with insteon as it currently is (old line), it would still take a lot for me to use the new line as well. However, I still hope for it's success, and will be patiently waiting and watching to see how this all plays out

Isy exposes what zwave offers within a device category/command class. It's up to the mfg. whether or not they take advantage of it.