Brian H

The compatibility check in the previous post. Would definitely determine if the 2450 dry contact output. Will control the door. Without any added interface or creative actions. The connection on the motor side is the same as the control end of the same two wire cable and maybe where you already have the 2450 connected. Though either end should be the same signal.

You may want to check the momentary mode choice on both sides and if both sides show the sensor On with the door in the same open or closed position. Are both 2450 units the same revision or close to the same. The administrative console would also give you the firmware version. The LED on the side indicates when the rely is On. When in the momentary mode it will pulse bright for the amount of time the relay pulsed On. Momentary B sends the pulse. When its receives either an On or Off command. Momentary C takes into consideration the Sensor being On or Off. Have you found out if the new opener is even compatible with a dry closure pules. Intelligent ones may not like a dry contact pulse on their control wires.

It does look like the PLM power supply has failed. Some of us have rebuilt ours but a brand new one will have all the latest components and RS232 signal lines having some protection.

When it pulses do you see anything on the 12V on the NO and COM terminals? If you temporarily disconnect the wires on the NO and COM. Can you see with continuity tester or ohm meter a pulse when it activates? The bright LED pulse does indicate the 2450 is receiving the ON command.

You maybe able to hear the relay inside the 2450 if it is not too noisy around where the 2450 is located. When trying open or close the door. The LED on the side close to the manual set button should also pulse bright and dim. As the relay pulses. That may give you a clue to see if the 2450 is actually trying to open or close the door. Tried both a V1.0 and V2.3 2450. Set to Momentary B (tried C also) 2.0 second On time. On both of them turning the relay On resulted in a 2 second bright LED indication on the side LED. If the LED does not pulse Bright. It is possible the Insteon command is not getting to the 2450. Your meter did show the sensor changing. Another indication is the Green Sensor LED on the external wiring area.

You can still get ISY994i support but for a year it is a fee support. Fellow users here are always a very big help. I would also try the Launcher pointed out. One other thing has been the ISY994i power supply getting near end of life and causing issues. If the launcher doesn't find it. You may to try supply as a test. You may also find it in your network routers connected devices list. That may also give you some added information. Though I suspect the latest Launcher and Java may do the trick.

The S and GND connection sounds like it is detecting the door open or closed as it should. With the kit supplied sensor. Is the NO and COM connected to the control wires for the opener? My previous statement may have been confusing. Does the opener's two control wires connect to an intelligent control that also may have a built in motion sensor or malfunction buttons? If you try and open the door. You may see the 12V pulse low for a moment as the 2450 tried to open or close the door. If it does show a brief pulse. The 2450 sounds like it is trying to control the door. That should tell you if 2450 is acting correctly and if the opener can use a momentary pulse for control. Your new opener may not act on a momentary pulse from the 2450. As some do not act on a momentary pulse. As they have intelligent controls and a simple pulse will not work. They have date and power for the controls on the same two control wires. I have seen some reports on other forums using a pulse with the newer openers not working. There where some work around. Like the manufacturer makes an interface to use a momentary pulse. Getting a spare remote and soldering the wires for the 2450 to its on off button or opening the controller and soldering to its on off button.

Does your opener have a Multi-function or Motion Sensor control? Connected to the two wires from the opener and that is where you tried the 2450? That would appear to have intelligent communications. If the display goes off and reboots. A direct pulse on those wires may not work as it shorts the power and data. I did not see any information on a direct push button working in the manual. Someone with that type unit could verify it a direct button is compatible with that opener. You may have to get creative. Like adding a remote and then connecting the 2450 output directly to the remotes push button. That way you would not violate the warranty by directly soldering the 2450 output to the controllers button.

Does your control unit also do things like temperature display, light control ans power thhe display on it. All on a single pair of wires? If so you may not be able to short the pair with the 2450 relay output if it also carries data and power. An indication would be the control display goes off. Every time the 2450 ties to open the door. I believe they do have a dry contact to their control adapter if needed. The data Andy P asked for would be a big help.

If the closet was set to 100% and not Off. That would explain why the All Off program turned it On when run.

In the Administrative Console. Click on the SWL in question. On the right side of the display should be a Management Listing. Responder too list and if it is controlling something. There will also be a Controller list. Just noticed. Your original post shows it is a Responder to. Entry Way KPL All Off and Upstairs. One of those maybe running and changing your SWL state. You may also find some information. In the Log file and maybe the error file.. In the Administrative Console.

It is in the Current Releases Section. It is for Polisy and an eisy. As firmware updates where stopped. When the ISY994i was discontinued. So it depends on what UDI controller you are trying to upgrade. https://www.universal-devices.com/finalbye994/

That is the two addresses in question.

Remove previous links should have removed no longer used links. If it is not in any scenes and directly controlling any other modules. It may have too many links in it and that is one possibility it is still following scenes it is not related too. The first two are the PLM's ID if I read the screen correctly. The next three are links are for other functions. #5 is the end of link table entries. From the link below. The next three A2 links are responder links. To scenes or modules controlling it. This my help: https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/9525-how-to-read-a-link-table/

The 2450 I/OLinc is a power line only communications device. Are you using a 2413U USB PLM or the old 2413S PLM with a USB to serial adapter? One thought is there is a different power line command sensitivity and the USB is slightly less sensitive. Another thought is the eisy's power supply has a capacitor across the power lines to stop internal electronic noise from getting back on the power lines. That the ISY994's supply didn't have. If the eisy and PLM are both on the same power feed. It maybe possible the supply is absorbing the power line signals. Depending on the revision of the 2450. If it is an I1 communications. It takes 8 peek poke messages to do one link in its database. If you have a dual band module to test with. You could try putting it in the front pass through outlet on the 2450 and see if anything changes. That may give you a clue to what maybe happening.

Your findings look correct. Good chance of a poor connection and not good ground protection. For the connected device.

Is it new and never used or reinstalled SWL previously used? Did you factory reset it before adding it? If reinstalled as you found still may have old links in it. If it was new occasionally we see one with test links from the factory and always for a good measure factory reset it also. In the Administrative Console. If you click on the SWL you should be able to do a show the links in the unit and that may also give you some information.

Updated program to also work with an eisy or polisy. Along with the ISY994i. Should be fine and I have it for my ISY994i.

Do you have the PRO module? That expands the size of the modules,scenes and program data memory size? It almost looks like you may have hit the limit. There is a way in the Administrative Console. To condense the database by removing data marked as no longer used and just filling an entry. Power supplies have also been known to start things strange happening. You may want to try a supply. I know it fixed issues for me and others here.

Another possibility. Is the power supply maybe deteriorating. Making noise or interference back on the power lines. Or has a large AC rated capacitor on the line absorbing the power line command if the RF distance is too far or blocked by where it is mounted. Both the dimmer and On-Off have a built in communications test that also my give you some more information. Changes in the home. Like a new or moved device. Can also effect power line communications. I got a replacement 22" LED TV for the kitchen. Was a signal sucker and I am old school. Dated power line only Insteon modules. It effected my home until I put it behind an X10 XPPF filter. If the On-Off module has communications issues. You may want to look at the power supply for the LED bulbs.

The PRO ISY99i will have the added choices to turn off automatic updates to modules and RF modules. So you can do them individually. Also has a larger allowed database size so more addresses can be used. Though that may not be an X10 also sized database. I have not seen anything on a Micro SD card in any ISY99i but they do have an adapter in some SD card kits or separate purchase. To let you use a Micro SD card in a full sized SD card slot.

I would definitely check the model number of both units. As the article mentioned the ISY99i had no SD card slot while newer units had an SD card slot. The ISY99i used an SD card while the ISY994i a Micro SD card. So if the second unit is a ISY994i the ISY99i SD card will not fit. Here is the data on the ISY99i replacement of the SD card. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:Replacing/Formatting_an_SD_Card The modules are in the unit itself and referenced to the units UUID number. I don't think you can transfer the modules. By moving the SD card unit to unit or using a backup file from the original unit.

The ISY994i was also discontinued early this year. Modules where discontinued 06/01/2023 as was free support from UDI. https://www.universal-devices.com/byebye994/ Your 2412S PLM will not work with an eisy. As it is power line only and has unregulated +12 volts on the serial cable along with being serial. Depending on its hardware revision. Small link database of 417 or large link database of >2000 that an ISY994i had trouble with ~800 and above. The eisy uses a USB connection. They do sell a USB to serial kit for a 2413S. I don't see X10 listed on it sales page. https://www.universal-devices.com/product/eisy-home/ From what I have read here. You can use an ISY994i backup file into an eisy. If it is a specific firmware revision. That definitely will not be in an old ISY99i that discontinued firmware at 3.3.10.

One thing I forgot and may have had a effect on this. You had to use the My Account choice on their site. To purchase and manage Modules. The old Modules choice in the Administrative Console no longer worked. I just signed in to My Account and could see what each of their products I own and had for modules in that unit. From my ISY26 to both of my ISY994i and ISY99i. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#Add-On/Optional_Modules_for_the_ISY-994i

The ISY994i was discontinued earlier this year. As of 06/01/2023. Purchase modules for a ISY994i was discontinued. Probably why you are getting the error. https://www.universal-devices.com/finalbye994/