Brian H

Both the Alert Module and now the Siren Module. Go way back before the takeover. They still are not supported properly due to Smartlabs not giving the needed information in a timely manner. I too lately have seen Smartlabs reluctance to give UDI the needed information. I have reservation on their relationship myself.

The 2992-222 Range Extender. Is actually a 2457D2 Lamplinc with out the dimming parts and probably difference firmware. A full feature Dual Band module is not much more costly and it allows you more options.

Thank you for the heads up on how crafty the Spammers are now getting. I will have to look more closely in forums I attend or moderate.

Does not have to be something new. Can be something moved to a different location. Dual Band device like a 2443 Access Point going south and no longer getting the Insteon commands to the other power line. If you have any Access Points see if they are hardware 2.0 or higher. They have the same power supply issues as the 2413S PLMs. Though the Scene showing off and the lights are On maybe a clue.

There are also a few White Papers on the Insteon.com web site. http://www.insteon.com/technology/#documentation

Some surge suppressors have a noise filter in them also. So some may absorb the Insteon Power Line Commands as noise. I had some with an across an AC power line rated .1uf 250VAC capacitor in them absorb both X10 and Insteon power line commands. Lucky for me they where on a small PCB and could easily be removed.

Even closer. RF signals can be strange, If the new location has any metal in the wall or the RF paths no longer are in line with each other. Things may not work as well. Dual Band Switches in a metal electrical box. Can have their RF distance and communications direction limited by the metal. Does not help that the Insteon RF antennas are in the BACK of the module. Closest to back back of a metal electrical box.

When you moved it to a different location. You changed things both power line and RF. You may have the PLM on a different circuit. One with noise makers or signal absobers. If the PLM is now on the other half of the house wiring. The power line signals may now have an issue getting to where they use to. Dual Band modules along with the Range Extenders can act as coupling between the incoming power lines. How new are your switches? Most presently sold Insteon Modules are Dual Band. The 2441V is strictly an Insteon RF device. So it has to be in RF range of the PLM or another Dual Band Module to do the Insteon RF communications.

Found by a search. Not too sure if this will help. It has some information on what they call "Smart Hops" http://cache.insteon.com/developer/i2CSdev-022012-en.pdf

Look at the starting post for 4.6.2 firmware. http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/22000-release-462-is-now-official/ The firmware update does not update the UI or Dashboard. The post gives you the link to the new UI and how to properly update it. It also gives the link to the 4.6.2 Dashboard if you use it.

I think I gave you some information that maybe not be 100% correct. I now remember that I was swapping 2412S/U PLM Daughter Boards and 2414S/U PLC Daughter Boards. In the 2412S/U the swap was fine. I imagine the 2413S/U {same basic daughter boards with a faster speed EEPROM memory chip} would be OK also. Even the 2414S serial board would work in the 2412S PLM. I have some early 2412S PLM unit with 2414S Serial Daughter Boards in them. The added RTC clock chip and battery where ignored along with the much larger memory size. The USB board between a 2414U and 2412U would not work. As they have a different baud rate.

The 2413UH is the purchased HouseLinc version of the PLM. It has a different Subcategory ID number in the main boards firmware. To the ISY994i it may not matter. It did if you tried to use a 2413U with the purchased version of HouseLinc. I have swapped Serial and USB PLM Daughter Boards and for me they worked. It may not work but should not emit the magic electronic smoke.

I have seen the earlier hardware power line only Insteon Modules. Reported to be more prone to power line issues. Get into a unknown state.. That an AC power cycle reset clearing the unknown state. The troubleshooting chart in the full users manuals would say to do a AC power cycle reset for locked up and strange acting devices. Noise on the AC power from storms could be a factor in your modules issues.

Your decoding the capacitor markings look correct. 8.25 uF and 4.75 uF. I double recommend getting capacitors rated for use on AC Power Line connections. My thoughts on the Triac in the FanLinc is they use them to switch the different capacitor into the Fan Load Output. Check you fans wiring thoroughly. They could be connecting the caps to different winding taps for some speeds or changing direction by swapping wires.

Thank you for reinforcing the data posted, in this very long thread. I too have had 2443 Hardware V2 Access Points {V1 hardware are the older design with power transformer supply} have the same bad caps and very low unregulated 12 volt supplies. Usually around 18-20 VDC. Mine where <7VDC and the logic supply IC was out of regulation. Fixed a few myself. Even in my newest {V2.3} PLM they are still using the same questionable brand caps. C7 and C13 are still 100uF but upped the working voltage to 50VDC. Older hardware 2413 PLM and hardware V2 Access Points have the 10uF 35VDC C7 and C13. They are mounted horizontally on the PCB and held with a glob of component glue. Physically to large to mount normally vertically to the PCB. My V2.3 also has a new RS232 interface chip on the Daughter Board. Has a IEC61000-4-2 ESD Protection rating.

Many of the older power line only Insteon modules. Used a power line derived type power supply. With a capacitor to limit the current into a Zenner Diode regulated supply. They could get confused by some line noise and needed a power cycle reset. I can also verify the 2456D and 2456S modules have the +5 volt Logic supply connected directly to the AC Line input pin and logic regulation all in the common side.

If all three Blue LEDs are on. That is not correct. Here is some UDI Wiki information on the front panel LEDs. http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#Front_Panel_LEDs.2FLights Before calling the ISY994i defective. I would also suggest the power up sequences mentioned to see if anything changed. I would suspect the 2413S PLM before the ISY994i. Unless you where counting on Insteon RF only and the PLM was also on a surge suppressor or UPS. It is directly connected to the incoming AC power. I have also seen some indications the RS232 IC in the 2413S PLM was sometimes an issue and I know they changed it to an ESD rated IC in the hardware 2.3 and above.

Not necessarily the PLM. Do a search here. There are a few All On, All Off and maybe random changes. In threads here. Not related to a PLM.

Just make a note. The HUB's Insteon ID will be in the Alert Module and the ISY994i will not know it. If for any reason you may restore the Alert Module with the ISY994i it may over write the HUB's ID.

If the valve has limit switches or can be held open or closed with the 24VAC. The 2450 I/OLinc NO and NC relay outputs and a 24VAC supply should work. Reason I ask about limit switches or holding open and closed. Is 24VAC will be active on either the Open or Closed wiring all the time. So it has to stop with a internal limit switch or designed to be held open and closed. I would imagine if you had to. You could use an On/Off module to control power to the 24VAC supply and then the 2450 to open and close the valve itself. As Stu asked. If you can provide a link to the valve or its model number. It would be a big help. I did a web search. I found a manual for a PE24VA Pool Valve. If your is a PV24VA or similar. It has Limit Switches to stop it when the valve is open or closed. So a 24VAC supply and a 2450 I/OLinc should control it.

Did a quick search. You can find all kinds of water flow sensors. You could find one that could pulse a I/OLinc Sensor Input or maybe the the external input on an Open/Closed sensor. Some have sealed Hall Effect sensor that may work. Others have small impellers the move on water flow. Both had pulsed outputs.

May not matter in this case. You are using the older ISY99i/Pro with the latest firmware it can accommodate? Did the 2441TH and all the modules add correctly? Standard question these days. Is the PLM the older 2412S or the present 2413S. If a 2413S how old is it? They have a reputation to fail at about two years and a few months.

The review section of the 2413S page. Indicated they had identified a problem component and V2.3 should have the fix. I believe it was the RS232 IC as the latest one has a ESD classification . The C7 and C13 are now 50 volt and component glued against the PCB. As they where a tight fit in the normal vertical position.

In April 2017 I received a 2413S PLM V2.3. Date Code:4216.

Time will tell. My V2.3. Date Code:4216. I see the same questionable brand Fujucon capacitors. Just C7 and C13 are now 100uF 50V and to fit them in. Laying sideways with a small gob of component glue holding them. As the space is too tight for them vertically in the normal through hole pads on the PCB.