Geddy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, sdynak said: Signed up to get notified Same. I only have 1 and need another one for me and a couple for my father-in-law (who really puts out the holiday lights!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlurkr Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 btw, holiday lights are one place where Insteon (or even X10!) shines (pardon the pun). Plug in the modules, enable the programs you disabled in January, and away you go! No network to heal. Bliss. Unless you have powerline noise. Oh, and LED holiday lights never go entirely off. You need a dummy load. And... Anyway, Insteon rules. Again. -Tom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kclenden Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) I see that aartech.ca now has some Insteon products in stock (switches, 6-button keypad, hub). Looks like Canada gets to rejoin the party. 😄 Edited November 22, 2022 by kclenden 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 16 hours ago, kclenden said: I see that aartech.ca now has some Insteon products in stock (switches, 6-button keypad, hub). Looks like Canada gets to rejoin the party. 😄 Paging @larryllix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, MrBill said: Paging @larryllix ...and UD has made some arrangements there also. I see none of it on the aartech.ca website yet but I am sure it will come. Likely a little too late for me as I am downsizing a lot and have boxes of things I will likely never get to use again. I have run out of receptacles. Maybe Insteon will put out a wireless receptacle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorka Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Does the new on/off switchlinc work with the older switches? https://shop.insteon.com/products/on-off-switch The fact that this new one only has 2 leds for on/off worries me that it may not work correctly. All the old on/off switches still had the full led array for level since they can and are often used as remote dimmers for the switches actually carrying the loads. On 11/5/2022 at 7:48 PM, Techman said: There's really no need for the extra leds. There's only two options, on or off. I doubt they will go back. That's not true. On 11/6/2022 at 6:12 AM, Brian H said: There where no extra LED's in the 2476S and I believe the 2477S also. Just the bar graph positions filled with light pipes that didn't light. I saw a Smarthome bulletin on the new face plate design and it indicated those that wanted to have the new ones match their originals. With all the LED positions. You could change the assembly to the older ones. You could purchase as an accessory assembly. As they both fit just the new ones eliminated the unused LED positions. All of my existing on/off switchlincs have 9 leds. They're not just holes. It appears shipping is flat. 1 switch all the way up to 8 switches $8.78 for shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, sorka said: It appears shipping is flat. 1 switch all the way up to 8 switches $8.78 for shipping. The newer on/off switches have only 2 leds, on and off. They install and work just like the previous release. On/off switches are not, and cannot, be used as dimmers as they use a relay and not a triac, to control the load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorka Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Techman said: The newer on/off switches have only 2 leds, on and off. They install and work just like the previous release. On/off switches are not, and cannot, be used as dimmers as they use a relay and not a triac, to control the load. Did you actually read my post? Apparently whomever decided to nuke the other 7 leds didn't realize that the on/off switches can be be used as REMOTE dimmers. Edited November 30, 2022 by sorka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, sorka said: Did you actually read my post? Apparently whomever decided to nuke the other 7 leds didn't realize that the on/off switches can be be used as REMOTE dimmers. They can be used to control dimmers but are not dimmers themselves and therefore have no usage for more LEDs to indicate levels. IOW: They can send the dimmer signals but cannot receive them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian H Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 None of my 2476S SwitchLinc module have all the LED positions installed. Only the On and Off LED are there. So even if it could be used to control a dimmer. There are no LED positions to show where the switch set another module, just empty holes with the light pipe in it. The FCC Database photos of the 2477S modules. Also only show the On and Off LED installed. So if anyone has all LED's in a switch module. It must have only been in certain revisions. The old company did indicate you could buy a cover with all the positions so they matched the one you where using now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 The Plug-in on/off module and the plug-in dimmer modules are now in stock at Insteon.com. $54.95 each plus tax and shipping 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vbPhil Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Techman said: The Plug-in on/off module and the plug-in dimmer modules are now in stock at Insteon.com. $54.95 each plus tax and shipping Expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, vbphil said: Expensive! Inflation + tariffs = $$$$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbril Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Techman said: Inflation + tariffs = $$$$ and no competion (as there is with Zwave). Just one Insteon provider....... Edited December 7, 2022 by asbril 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 hours ago, asbril said: and no competion (as there is with Zwave). Just one Insteon provider....... Who else makes Z-Wave chips besides Silicon Labs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbril Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, upstatemike said: Who else makes Z-Wave chips besides Silicon Labs? True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matapan Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, asbril said: True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. But a poor quality product virtually guarantees a loser, unless you can overlook the negative quality and tolerate it. Edited December 7, 2022 by matapan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilyoyo1 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, asbril said: True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. Prices stay down but where's the improvements in usability. Just a bunch of people making the same devices that do the same things. The more expensive zwave devices usually have additional benefits and costs more and are equal to insteon in price...if not more (see fibaro, aeotec, Eaton, and homeseer) Edited December 7, 2022 by lilyoyo1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Innovation seems to be at a standstill with Z-Wave: Still waiting for Z-Wave LR products that let you install remote devices without "building out the mesh" with useless intermediate ones just to get the signal there. LoRa uses the same frequency as Z-Wave and has no mesh building requirements. Still waiting for smooth group actions that work at the protocol/device level without a lot of controller intervention. Bonus if Z-Wave standards were actually enforced so you could have smooth group dimming and simultaneous on/off in mixed vendor switch groups. Still waiting for a Z-Wave equivalent to the Insteon keypad where buttons can act as virtual switches in multi-way switch switch situations. All Z-Wave can do now is trigger scenes and leave it to the user to somehow code that into proper multi-way control. (ugly, painful, unreliable) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian H Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, asbril said: True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. Yes UDI did have a prototype PLM and then Smartlabs reneged on the promised programed controller chips. Thus killing the product completely. There where a few other manufacturers on a list we got in the developers group. To start Insteon support. They changed their minds and went other routes like ZWave. Smartlabs was always protective of their Insteon products. Too soon to comment on the new Insteon Group. Edited December 7, 2022 by Brian H Add something 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPend Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 11:41 AM, oskrypuch said: Button labeling with a label maker using transparent film is very easy and effective. Almost indistinguishable from etched buttons, and of course easily modifiable. * Orest I would try this but don't you still need clear buttons? Otherwise won't the factory lettering show through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 45 minutes ago, PatPend said: I would try this but don't you still need clear buttons? Otherwise won't the factory lettering show through? And what kind of labelmaker offers clear film labels? I have a Brother P-Touch and I don't think clear is an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Brother makes clear P-Touch labels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjenkins Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, upstatemike said: And what kind of labelmaker offers clear film labels? I have a Brother P-Touch and I don't think clear is an option. My Brady labeller does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 3:41 PM, upstatemike said: And what kind of labelmaker offers clear film labels? I have a Brother P-Touch and I don't think clear is an option. On 12/14/2022 at 5:23 PM, MikeD said: Brother makes clear P-Touch labels. I've used brother clear labels for other things. You should also check out Niimbot they are easier to customize in Size and add graphics etc.... Amazon has them but pricing all over the place. it's a chinese product with multiple importers... Clear labels are defiantly available. There are several sizes of printers, they are bluetooth, you customize your label in a phone app then print. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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