brians Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 I realize Thread/Matter support is coming sometime after March 2023, however there was mention about enabling Zibgee. I notice there are lots more Zigbee alternatives (and cheaper too) for Zigbee things like motion sensors, wall switches etc. than ZWave. 1
lilyoyo1 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, brians said: I realize Thread/Matter support is coming sometime after March 2023, however there was mention about enabling Zibgee. I notice there are lots more Zigbee alternatives (and cheaper too) for Zigbee things like motion sensors, wall switches etc. than ZWave. I think all would be enabled at the same time since Matter uses zigbee
DennisC Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 All I have seen UD post about Zigbee is it is coming later. No time frame given.
brians Posted March 13, 2023 Author Posted March 13, 2023 Oh ok, I am sure I seen somewhere way back that there was a possibility of enabling zigbee in meantime, while waiting for thread/matter firmware to get finalized.
DennisC Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 Don't know if the date still holds, but I found this on the eisy page in UD store: Device Support INSTEON Support – Requires a PLM (not included): 2413S, 2413U, or 24487U. If you are using 2413S (serial/RS232), then you will need our Serial PLM Kit Z-Wave Support – Requires our ZMatter USB dongle (not included) Zigbee / Matter Support – Requires our ZMatter USB dongle (not included). Zigbee and Matter support will not be available till 03/2023 100s of other devices and services are supported through our awesome and vetted third-party developed node servers (plugins). Here’s the list
asbril Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 As I have the HA Yellow Box, I am tempted to try out Zigbee especially as I noticed on Amazon that Zigbee devices are significantly cheaper than Zwave. However, adding another eco system may be a pain. So maybe I just wait to see if Matter takes off,
lilyoyo1 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, DennisC said: Don't know if the date still holds, but I found this on the eisy page in UD store: Device Support INSTEON Support – Requires a PLM (not included): 2413S, 2413U, or 24487U. If you are using 2413S (serial/RS232), then you will need our Serial PLM Kit Z-Wave Support – Requires our ZMatter USB dongle (not included) Zigbee / Matter Support – Requires our ZMatter USB dongle (not included). Zigbee and Matter support will not be available till 03/2023 100s of other devices and services are supported through our awesome and vetted third-party developed node servers (plugins). Here’s the list With all of the bugs so far, I wouldn't hold my breath 1 1
DennisC Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, asbril said: As I have the HA Yellow Box, I am tempted to try out Zigbee especially as I noticed on Amazon that Zigbee devices are significantly cheaper than Zwave. However, adding another eco system may be a pain. So maybe I just wait to see if Matter takes off, At this point in time, that sounds like a wise decsion. 1 1
brians Posted March 13, 2023 Author Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said: I think all would be enabled at the same time since Matter uses zigbee I understand that Thread RF protocol is based off Zigbee, but there are differences . Matter runs on Ethernet (WiFi, wired LAN), and Thread. A Thread border router is used to communicate between these two different networks. From what I am reading, I get the impression that it should be possible to have an EISY, Polisy (anything running IoX) see Thread based matter devices without a ZMatter board, as long as you have a Thread border router of some sort... eg. my Apple Homepod Mini should allow this. I guess we will find out soon hopefully. Edited March 13, 2023 by brians
brians Posted March 13, 2023 Author Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, asbril said: As I have the HA Yellow Box, I am tempted to try out Zigbee especially as I noticed on Amazon that Zigbee devices are significantly cheaper than Zwave. However, adding another eco system may be a pain. So maybe I just wait to see if Matter takes off, Yes, I watch a few HA Youtube channels and am starting to become envious of all the Zigbee options available, and in fact am more interested/excited about Zigbee now than Matter However there are issues with Zigbee (And Thread/Matter too) being in 2.4Ghz and interference that could alter my experience if I actually used. When (if?) I get my skyconnect USB for HA, I'll pickup a Zigbee device to experiment with. Edited March 13, 2023 by brians
asbril Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, brians said: Yes, I watch a few HA Youtube channels and am starting to become envious of all the Zigbee options available, and in fact am more interested/excited about Zigbee now than Matter However there are issues with Zigbee (And Thread/Matter too) being in 2.4Ghz and interference that could alter my experience if I actually used. When (if?) I get my skyconnect USB for HA, I'll pickup a Zigbee device to experiment with. Keep us informed 😁
lilyoyo1 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, brians said: I understand that Thread RF protocol is based off Zigbee, but there are differences . Matter runs on Ethernet (WiFi, wired LAN), and Thread. A Thread border router is used to communicate between these two different networks. From what I am reading, I get the impression that it should be possible to have an EISY, Polisy (anything running IoX) see Thread based matter devices without a ZMatter board, as long as you have a Thread border router of some sort... eg. my Apple Homepod Mini should allow this. I guess we will find out soon hopefully. I'm aware of how it runs. Because of past statements from Michel, I wouldn't be surprised if they released both together as it makes sense from a development standpoint
lilyoyo1 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, brians said: Yes, I watch a few HA Youtube channels and am starting to become envious of all the Zigbee options available, and in fact am more interested/excited about Zigbee now than Matter However there are issues with Zigbee (And Thread/Matter too) being in 2.4Ghz and interference that could alter my experience if I actually used. When (if?) I get my skyconnect USB for HA, I'll pickup a Zigbee device to experiment with. I think interference issues are overblown. I've done enough installs with C4 and hue bulbs without having issues. Granted, every home is different so it can potentially happen. If there were to be wide ranging issues, I can see it being more from lower quality devices than better quality ones. In addition, depending on UDIs implementation, you may be able to set the channel that ZigBee uses outside the range your network uses
Geddy Posted March 14, 2023 Posted March 14, 2023 20 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said: If there were to be wide ranging issues, I can see it being more from lower quality devices than better quality ones. So...just like all the Z-Wave issues "we've" been having? I think the biggest issue is while there's a "Z-Wave" standard not all manufacturers adhere to it as some might hope. I feel for UDI in that their support ticket could will probably jump significantly again once the additional devices are supported. 🤞 My hope is users realize that it's not UDI but the device manufacturer devices (UDI is trying to support) that are causing the problems. Most haven't considered this being case with the Z-Wave debacles many faced. 3
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