Release 5.9.1 discussion

[SHM]

Upgraded IoX to 5.9.1 without issue.  When I open PG3x, not seeing the 14.1p6 version.  Is this normal?

[oberkc]

8 minutes ago, Guy Lavoie said:

I just updated UD Mobile on my android phone (new version dated Feb 10), and the settings now show an option to add Matter devices, using QR codes. I haven't seen any options anywhere (in UD Mobile or admin console) to define Matter routers, however that's done or configured.

I just noticed the new app version for android.  The version that I use on iPads does not have an update showing available.  On android, I did not immediately get the option to add a matter device but found that there is something under settings regarding matter that led to rebooting my Polisy.  We will see if this does anything.

The whole matter thing, for me, has been a disappointment.  I have been able to add a matter (thread) device to an echo hub and share it with a google hub, but this device seems to disconnect from the echo after a few days.  I have not figured out how to share border routers so far.  I find the whole thing underwhelming.  We will see what the ISY update give us, if anything.

 

[Guy Lavoie]

1 minute ago, oberkc said:

I just noticed the new app version for android.  The version that I use on iPads does not have an update showing available.  On android, I did not immediately get the option to add a matter device but found that there is something under settings regarding matter that led to rebooting my Polisy.  We will see if this does anything.

The whole matter thing, for me, has been a disappointment.  I have been able to add a matter (thread) device to an echo hub and share it with a google hub, but this device seems to disconnect from the echo after a few days.  I have not figured out how to share border routers so far.  I find the whole thing underwhelming.  We will see what the ISY update give us, if anything.

 

Well as of yesterday, the updated app versions for both android and IOS were said to be "pending approval" by google and Apple. I guess google approved it faster. Keep checking for the IOS version update.

In defense of UDI, all the Matter related features are showing as beta versions, so this is an initial release that will certainly be polished up over the next little while. It at least allows the wider user base to start testing it in various environments, something USI couldn't possibly do alone.

[oberkc]

5 minutes ago, Guy Lavoie said:

In defense of UDI, all the Matter related features are showing as beta versions,

My complaints of matter are much broader than UDI. Problems with matter seems to be a global issue.  My only problem so far (very limited exploration so far) with the matter support in UD is being unable to figure out how to access any device through a border router (one of the claimed enhancements).

Edited 20 hours ago by oberkc

[Bumbershoot]

16 minutes ago, SHM said:

Upgraded IoX to 5.9.1 without issue.  When I open PG3x, not seeing the 14.1p6 version.  Is this normal?

My PXGx version is 3.3.18.

This host FreeBSD version that IoX runs on should be as below:

[admin@eisy ~]$ uname -a
FreeBSD eisy 14.1-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE-p6 #4 releng/14.1-n267727-74b6c983723c-dirty: Fri Nov 15 12:13:25 PST 2024     root@bsdev14.isy.io:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/eisy amd64

 

[auger66]

1 hour ago, Guy Lavoie said:

I just updated UD Mobile on my android phone (new version dated Feb 10), and the settings now show an option to add Matter devices, using QR codes. I haven't seen any options anywhere (in UD Mobile or admin console) to define Matter routers, however that's done or configured.

I tried to add the new Nest thermostat (Matter) with the updated UD android app via QR code. It wouldn't add. I didn't think it would work through my non-border router, but I had to try. 

[Guy Lavoie]

31 minutes ago, auger66 said:

I tried to add the new Nest thermostat (Matter) with the updated UD android app via QR code. It wouldn't add. I didn't think it would work through my non-border router, but I had to try. 

 

Is it a Thread or IP device? This will always come up in Matter discussions

[auger66]

1 minute ago, Guy Lavoie said:

Is it a Thread or IP device? This will always come up in Matter discussions

IP via wifi

[Guy Lavoie]

1 minute ago, auger66 said:

IP via wifi

The release announcement does say "Initial support for light bulbs and plugin modules:"

[auger66]

2 hours ago, Guy Lavoie said:

The release announcement does say "Initial support for light bulbs and plugin modules:"

I saw that, but I still had to try. 🙂

Nest thermostats haven't had a working plugin in a long time. Since it's such a big gap in UDs integration, hopefully it will get a little Matter priority.

Edited 16 hours ago by auger66

[mmb]

7 hours ago, auger66 said:

Nest thermostats haven't had a working plugin in a long time.

Wasn't that due to Google seeing their api as a security risk?

[auger66]

57 minutes ago, mmb said:

Wasn't that due to Google seeing their api as a security risk?

Probably/maybe. I think every software company claims "security" when they don't want to do it. Plus, Google has done almost nothing with Nest since they bought it. Funny how some companies can make APIs safely and some can't/won't.

Regardless, the new thermostat has Matter, and that's probably going to be the easiest way to integrate Google into UDs ecosystem now.

[Goose66]

There is a plugin for Nest thermostats, but you have to create your own developer sandbox and Device Access project at Google to use it. It’s free and in the Non-production store. 

A production version of the plugin was finished but not rolled out because using it with more than a couple of users requires a complex verification process (including security audits) with associated costs that are just not worth the effort.

 

Also, it was cloud based and Matter support should be local - much better solution.

Edited 10 hours ago by Goose66

[kurelgyer]

I'm overall pretty confused.  My update seems to have gone as expected.  After also updating the app I saw the matter option.  After enabling it and rebooting Eisy it have option to add matter device via barcode.  I have a plug in Wi-Fi outlet.  I reset the device, scanned with UD Mobile and got the error 500 several times   Didn't work. 

I see no options in the app or mobile for connecting with thread routers. 

I thought the app was getting an overhaul. 

I thought the admin console was getting an overhaul and getting rid of the Java interface. 

For what is supposed to be a big update, I really don't see any differences or anything new. 

Is it just me?

[oberkc]

8 hours ago, kurelgyer said:

I thought the app was getting an overhaul. 

There is an update to the Android UDMobile app that one must download.  As of yesterday, I don't think the iOS app has been updated (but soon, apparently).

 

8 hours ago, kurelgyer said:

I see no options in the app or mobile for connecting with thread routers.

I don't see any options to connect with thread routers.  The new app has a matter option now, as does the Admin Console.

8 hours ago, kurelgyer said:

I thought the admin console was getting an overhaul and getting rid of the Java interface.

They only claimed that they had "laid the groundwork" for moving away from the Java interface

8 hours ago, kurelgyer said:

For what is supposed to be a big update, I really don't see any differences or anything new. 

If (when) you get the updated UDMobile app (and configure your IoX settings for matter), you will see an option to add matter devices from a barcode.  I suspect this is for matter wifi devices.  Not sure if it works.  Not sure about thread devices.