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This is the cable. https://smartenit.com/shop/plm-serial-cable/

No, not using WiFi. Interestingly, it is working for me now. I've been working all kinds of things and one of the things I've done is push the multifunction button on the front of the Polisy once. This may or may not have solved this.

Yeah, I tried that several times before posting.

This should work, but it doesn't. https does work. http was working yesterday, but now today it isn't. My second problem is that I have to use the Add button every single time. With ISY on 944 I had to use the Add button, but it would stick and I wouldn't have to use the Add button the next time. With ISY on Polisy it doesn't stick. I have to use the Add button every time.

Too funny

Not sure what you mean by this. I recreated your volume programs and they worked for me, so I don't have anything to suggest. Realize the Fade Up only works from an Off state.

I recreated your scenario and it worked correctly for me. Have you tried restarting the Sonos NodeServer? I've been having problems with the Sonos NodeServer and restarting it always solves the problem for awhile.

Ooooo. THAT's Exciting!

Well, I never said my idea was perfect. ?

*** Thread Hijack Alert *** This has always struck me as a fundamental missing piece for Insteon and/or ISY. It seems to me there should be both "Scene" and "Group". A Group would always act in synchrony. For instance, the exterior lighting sconces on my home are controlled by at least 8 Insteon switches, but they always all do the same thing. A Scene should be something that is executed, not turned on and off or dimmed. So, a Scene to adjust the lights to watch a movie. The concept of turning off a Scene, or dimming it, seems weird. These are functions for a Group.

ISY on Polisy is Alpha, not even Beta, and there is no migration path. Correct?

Think of the Brilliant controller as an alternative to all those apps on your phone. Controls for Sonos, Ecobee, Hue, your doorbell, door locks, an intercom, all rolled into one and stuck on the wall. There is Alexa too, which I don't use and know little about. I think there may be some "automation" possibilities down that road, but I don't know.

I have several of the Brilliant controllers, but I don't use them to replace light switches, so I have no need to control the Brilliant from ISY. I don't believe Brilliant has released an API, so that almost certainly rules out the possibility of node server.

Follow up... Completely unrelated, a week or more ago, I noticed that my Unifi Access Points were showing that there was a software update available. Immediately after doing the update all the communication problems discussed above went away. All backlights have updated perfectly every night and morning since upgrading the Unifi Access Points, one of which is in the same room. Cause and effect? Who knows. But the coincidence seems too convenient to ignore.

I know I have run into this before. A 9 minute ramp used to be a thing, but it doesn't work anymore. Someone, somewhere, changed it to 8 minute maximum. It's just the way it is now.

Exactly my experience too. Although, I don't think Finder has ever automatically found my ISY.

After playing with this for a few hours, it is obvious to me that it is a communications issue. Manually running the programs from the console, I can see the pop up error messages about lack of communication. I actually knew this all along, hence my original post. But there is NO communication issue or errors with on/off/dim type commands. So I was asking if anyone knew if, by some chance, that the Backlight command was powerline only, as this might explain my issue. I just thought maybe, since the Backlight command is different in that there are no links with PLM involved, that maybe it's transmission was different.

Okay, then let me try to get a log when it is definitely trying to change the backlight level, but fails.

Okay, I added a 30 second wait between every Action and manually ran the Then part of the Program. Here is the level 3 Event Viewer: Mon 09/20/2021 01:58:30 PM : [ Time] 13:59:00 0(0) Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [50 DE B1 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 50 DE B1 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 50.DE.B1 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:30 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 50.DE.B1 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:30 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 50.DE.B1-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:30 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [42 9C 17 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 9C 17 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.9C.17 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:00 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.9C.17 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:00 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.9C.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:29 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:29 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:59 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:59 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 41 D3 E9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 41.D3.E9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 41.D3.E9 23.8D.92 2B 2F 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 41.D3.E9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 41 D3 E9 23 8D 92 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 00 A2 00 23 8D 92 FF 1F 01 BF Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 41.D3.E9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [41 D3 E9 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 41 D3 E9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 41.D3.E9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 41.D3.E9 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 41.D3.E9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:31 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 EA B9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.EA.B9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.EA.B9 23.8D.92 2B 2F 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.EA.B9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 42 EA B9 23 8D 92 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 00 A2 00 23 8D 92 FF 1F 01 BF Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 42.EA.B9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [42 EA B9 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 EA B9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:00 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.EA.B9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:00 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.EA.B9 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:00 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.EA.B9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:01 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [42 EE 61 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 EE 61 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.EE.61 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:03:02 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.EE.61 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:03:02 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.EE.61-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:03:02 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices The 3 devices that did not react are the ones that fired at 1:59:00, 2:00:29, and 2:00:59. As you can see, all that is in the log at those times is "Writing 0 bytes to devices".

So, any theories as to why it wouldn't work? Again, not a big deal, but still curious if it could be made to work.

Good suggestion, but I've already tried that. No better, no worse. Just as flakey.

I have programs to turn off the "Backlight" on all the switches in our bedroom at night. Some of the switches correctly respond to the Backlight commands without fail every time, while others are hit and miss. All of them are newish dual band devices and all of them always respond to on/off/dim type commands. They are all in close proximity to each other and RF communication between them should not be an issue. The house is newish with plastic electrical boxes. I'm wondering if maybe the Backlight command is powerline only, and not repeated via RF, and that maybe this is the root of my problem?

Thanks for this. I always wondered the same thing, and now it makes sense. Does make me wonder why the finder can never find my ISY on my very simple network, but not a big deal.

No doubt true, but the alternative is even worse, as we are experiencing.

Oh man, I can't wait! Sooo excited!