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I know I have run into this before. A 9 minute ramp used to be a thing, but it doesn't work anymore. Someone, somewhere, changed it to 8 minute maximum. It's just the way it is now.

Exactly my experience too. Although, I don't think Finder has ever automatically found my ISY.

After playing with this for a few hours, it is obvious to me that it is a communications issue. Manually running the programs from the console, I can see the pop up error messages about lack of communication. I actually knew this all along, hence my original post. But there is NO communication issue or errors with on/off/dim type commands. So I was asking if anyone knew if, by some chance, that the Backlight command was powerline only, as this might explain my issue. I just thought maybe, since the Backlight command is different in that there are no links with PLM involved, that maybe it's transmission was different.

Okay, then let me try to get a log when it is definitely trying to change the backlight level, but fails.

Okay, I added a 30 second wait between every Action and manually ran the Then part of the Program. Here is the level 3 Event Viewer: Mon 09/20/2021 01:58:30 PM : [ Time] 13:59:00 0(0) Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [50 DE B1 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 50 DE B1 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:29 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 50.DE.B1 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:30 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 50.DE.B1 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:30 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 50.DE.B1-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:30 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [42 9C 17 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 9C 17 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 01:59:59 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.9C.17 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:00 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.9C.17 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:00 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.9C.17-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:00 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:29 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:29 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:59 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:00:59 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 41 D3 E9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 41.D3.E9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 41.D3.E9 23.8D.92 2B 2F 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:29 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 41.D3.E9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 41 D3 E9 23 8D 92 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 00 A2 00 23 8D 92 FF 1F 01 BF Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 41.D3.E9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [41 D3 E9 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 41 D3 E9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 41.D3.E9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 41.D3.E9 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:30 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 41.D3.E9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:31 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 EA B9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.EA.B9 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.EA.B9 23.8D.92 2B 2F 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.EA.B9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 42 EA B9 23 8D 92 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 00 A2 00 23 8D 92 FF 1F 01 BF Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [Ext-Direct ] 42.EA.B9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [42 EA B9 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 02:01:59 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 EA B9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:00 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.EA.B9 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:00 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.EA.B9 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:00 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.EA.B9-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:01 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [All ] Writing 1 bytes to devices Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [42 EE 61 1 ] Memory : Write dbAddr=0x0264 [19] cmd1=0x2E cmd2=0x00 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 42 EE 61 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:02:28 PM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 42.EE.61 1F 2E 00 00 07 19 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 B2 06 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:03:02 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 42.EE.61 23.8D.92 2B 2E 00 (00) Mon 09/20/2021 02:03:02 PM : [Std-Direct Ack] 42.EE.61-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Mon 09/20/2021 02:03:02 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices The 3 devices that did not react are the ones that fired at 1:59:00, 2:00:29, and 2:00:59. As you can see, all that is in the log at those times is "Writing 0 bytes to devices".

So, any theories as to why it wouldn't work? Again, not a big deal, but still curious if it could be made to work.

Good suggestion, but I've already tried that. No better, no worse. Just as flakey.

I have programs to turn off the "Backlight" on all the switches in our bedroom at night. Some of the switches correctly respond to the Backlight commands without fail every time, while others are hit and miss. All of them are newish dual band devices and all of them always respond to on/off/dim type commands. They are all in close proximity to each other and RF communication between them should not be an issue. The house is newish with plastic electrical boxes. I'm wondering if maybe the Backlight command is powerline only, and not repeated via RF, and that maybe this is the root of my problem?

Thanks for this. I always wondered the same thing, and now it makes sense. Does make me wonder why the finder can never find my ISY on my very simple network, but not a big deal.

No doubt true, but the alternative is even worse, as we are experiencing.

Oh man, I can't wait! Sooo excited!

Oof.

I found a 2487S v44 in my stash, and sure enough, everything the OP @mango ran into I was able to replicate. After a factory reset it is much brighter than is achievable using the ISY. Seems the only way OP can solve this is to replace the v44 with a v45.

This doesn't bother me nearly as much as the decision to make the multi-button mini remote look different than the keypad. I know they couldn't make it exactly interchangeable, but they didn't even try to simulate the look. To the OP @mango , I find this all very curious. I think I will go through my stash of older Insteon and see if I have the version keypad that is being problematic for you.

As @MrBill noted, there is a bug in the ISY UI when trying to adjust the LED brightness. It will give you the impression that it has updated to the setting you want, when in fact, it has not. This is why I suggested using a program instead. You haven't indicated that you've tried this method.

I may not fully understand your issue, or what you have tried, but it sounds like you are trying to do this by pushing buttons on the keypad? I adjust mine with ISY programs. You might want to look into this method. At a minimum, write a program (no condition, just THEN statements) that sets the LEDs how you want them, but keep the program disabled and just run it manually. Set Light Switch LEDs - [ID 002C][Parent 005C][Not Enabled] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Bed Light @KP' Backlight On 15 / Off 1 Set 'Family Room / Family Room Light' Backlight 20% Set 'Master Bedroom / Master Bathroom Tub Light' Backlight 20% Set 'Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Bed Light' Backlight 20% Set 'Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Foyer Light' Backlight 20% Set 'Outdoor / Patio Lights' Backlight 20% Set 'Outdoor / Patio Lights @Master Bedroom' Backlight 20% Set 'Sitting Room / Sitting Room Light' Backlight 20%

And now, more than a year later...

I have a Pentair Intellitouch that I like fine. My integration with ISY would be difficult/impossible to duplicate as I use an Autelis to bridge between the Intellitouch and ISY. The Autelis has been unobtainable for quite some time now. I actually think I got one of the last ones as I had to wait for him to make some more. The Autelis is controllable through Network Resources. There is also a Polyglot Nodeserver for the Autelis, but it has yet to make it to the Polyglot store. The Nodeserver does not control lights, but they can be controlled through Network Resources. Having said all this, Home Assistant recently added an Integration for Pentair that talks to the Pentair ScreenLogic Interface directly. No Autelis required. I don't believe it yet has light controls either.

If these people exist, why don't they get anything done? Rhetorical question.

Keypads can be turned completely off, but the LEDs on the regular switches don't completely turn off even if set to zero. They will be very very dim, but your darkness adjusted eyes will be able to see them.

Posts like this always make me nervous. I know we all have to learn somehow, but this is one of those things that, if you have to ask the question, you shouldn't be doing this yourself. Just my 2 cents.

@jfai Very helpful. Thank you. At this point I'm very much leaning toward the 24V motors. My only problem with this scenario is that I have to commit to wired from the start, I can't convert from battery at a later time. I may have to do some surface run wires until I can get them in the wall. I've never really considered going with RS485. Honestly, I have no concept of how this would work as i haven't researched it. I DO know how RTS works and integrates, so that's what I'm planning. I just hope I am right in my assumption that the combination of 24V wired and RTS is readily available. Otherwise I will have to go back to 12V.

Do you make this comment because the 24V motors would need heavier gauge wire? Or because the 24V motors are also RS485 and need 3 additional wires? Somfy is a pretty large learning curve and I'm still learning.

Ugh. Are you saying that Somfy has different motors for battery vs hardwired? I was planning on buying battery packs to get them installed quickly and then later figure out how to run wire to them. I assumed it would just be a matter of removing the battery wand and plugging in a wired source. Now doing some research, I see that the battery packs are 12V and the wired motors are 24V. To me, nothing is easy with figuring this all out.

I think our nervousness is justified.